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auujay
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I think one problem is what people are calling "classical" music. Classical is a lot like the word "techno" it can refer to music played by "traditional" instruments by artists who play works written by composers or else by the specific time period (or "genre" if you will) from mid 1700s to early 1800s with composers like Mozart and Beethoven. The same sort of way people refer to all EDM as "Techno" but it is also a specific style.

The argument that the "Classical" period is over would be moot. To say that classical music in general, aka Orchestra music, is not evolving is totally false. Minimalism is a the popular genre for the past couple decades (composers like Reich, Glass, Gorecki, Part).

I disagree with your conclusion but one point you might want to make to help your side is how modern classical music uses "tapes" and effects. For example Steve Reich's piece "Different Trains" is for orchestra and uses taped recordings of voices that play at key parts and are very directly related to the music. Alan Hovhaness usess whale songs that are taped and played back at certain points of his work "And God Created Great Whales".

In the end EDM is not replaceing anything, well maybe Disco , it is simply a new kind of music.


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auujay
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Originally posted by YaleTrance
Besides, "classical" music (Western art music) of the 20th century was hardly melodic or tonal in the way that most of you think of "classical".


Exactly, when people complain how classical music all sounds the same and it boring, they are usually thinking of old peices everyone has heard. While modern classical music may still be boring, I find it hard to believe that most people find much similarites between a modern 12 tone piece and a Hayden symphony.


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Pio
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Originally posted by auujay
Exactly, when people complain how classical music all sounds the same and it boring, they are usually thinking of old peices everyone has heard. While modern classical music may still be boring, I find it hard to believe that most people find much similarites between a modern 12 tone piece and a Hayden symphony.


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Originally posted by auujay
I think one problem is what people are calling "classical" music. Classical is a lot like the word "techno" it can refer to music played by "traditional" instruments by artists who play works written by composers or else by the specific time period (or "genre" if you will) from mid 1700s to early 1800s with composers like Mozart and Beethoven. The same sort of way people refer to all EDM as "Techno" but it is also a specific style.

The argument that the "Classical" period is over would be moot. To say that classical music in general, aka Orchestra music, is not evolving is totally false. Minimalism is a the popular genre for the past couple decades (composers like Reich, Glass, Gorecki, Part).

I disagree with your conclusion but one point you might want to make to help your side is how modern classical music uses "tapes" and effects. For example Steve Reich's piece "Different Trains" is for orchestra and uses taped recordings of voices that play at key parts and are very directly related to the music. Alan Hovhaness usess whale songs that are taped and played back at certain points of his work "And God Created Great Whales".

In the end EDM is not replaceing anything, well maybe Disco , it is simply a new kind of music.



Nice to see that everyone's repeating what I've been saying for years on TA.

Unfortunately, most people here don't have a clue about minimalism, musique concrete, or the 12-tone system and they think classical is just anything that has a few violins and sounds old-fashioned. The word "classical" is exactly what "techno" is for the uneducated masses.

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auujay
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Originally posted by YaleTrance
Nice to see that everyone's repeating what I've been saying for years on TA.

Unfortunately, most people here don't have a clue about minimalism, musique concrete, or the 12-tone system and they think classical is just anything that has a few violins and sounds old-fashioned. The word "classical" is exactly what "techno" is for the uneducated masses.



I was going to say this same thing on the nearly identical thread that was made a day or two ago but decided I didn't want to waste my time. Seeing it a second time just put me over the edge


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Re: Re: help me defend EDM vs classical

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... Kraftwerk (yet another important person)...



Kraftwerk is a duo.


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Kraftwerk is a duo.

My bad... I shall never post and talk on the phone at the same time again


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high elmo
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ok so how can you best define EDM?
where does it come from?
what genre is it closest to?

ie: rock comes from blues but doesn't sound like blues.

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why does edm have to come from something?

Its like saying computers came from something else.


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high elmo
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well, usually music is influenced by other genres of music.
artists who start a genre, learnt about music or even played another genre, and then converted or made a new one.

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sooo mabe edm is a new one... since it is 100% electronic


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Pio
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sooo mabe edm is a new one... since it is 100% electronic


but electronic music was pioneered in the "classical world" over 80 years ago and many of the edm pioneers like Brian Eno and Kraftwerk were all clasically trained. not to mention that all of those synths were first tried and tested in that classical world decades before electronic became dance music.

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ok so there is a connection between classical and edm.
of course, they dont sound the same.
but it's an evolution, with new tools and equipment, the music sounds different.
but, the same thinking goes into making both.

opinions?

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