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Originally posted by DigiNut Sufee, I noticed this in the Toronto forum too, you're really really good at making up statistics!

Here's another statistic for you: 63.4% of all statistics are made on the spot.

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What a surprise...my test worked!! All pro-Israel and pro-zionless....sorry zionist wanks...disagreed...probably didnt even read the whole thing...and the rest agreed

FYI...its all common knowledge...they are facts...if any sensible user wishes to get the source...i will be happy to give it to them...just PM me...

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Originally posted by Q5echo ...and none of that was propaganda? Man, I wish I lived in your world. How many muslims have died at the hands of other muslims in the name of Islam? A: Untold millions Did the world come up with their own conclusions that Saddam had WMD's? A: yes Were there no limits to Saddams fostering of violence and Islamic hate agenda throughout that region? A: no Did France, as early as the 90's, sponsor Saddams efforts to make a nuclear bomb? A: Yes How many people have died in terrorist attacks in the name of Allah? A: F**kin A How many of surfer_b's questions were propagandist rhetoric? A: half Could I go on? A: yes Will you flame me?

Miilons for the first one?? many thousands maybe...but many more have died by the hands Christians and Jews, all your Q's and A's are open ended and opinionative except for the France one...please try again.

Could i go on....Yes

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Originally posted by sufee_b What a surprise...my test worked!! All pro-Israel and pro-zionless....sorry zionist wanks...disagreed...probably didnt even read the whole thing...and the rest agreed FYI...its all common knowledge...they are facts...if any sensible user wishes to get the source...i will be happy to give it to them...just PM me...

Sounds like you're making quite a hasty generalization here since "the rest" only constitutes one or two people.

Why should we have to PM you? Post your sources, so it's up for public debate, otherwise don't post at all because it's nothing more than propaganda and rhetoric. These things are only "common knowledge" among people who happen to share your point of view and accept your numbers without proof.

Edit: It shouldn't surprise you that the "Zionists" disagree with you because half of your post is anti-Israel rhetoric that has nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq in the first place. Why post it?

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Originally posted by sufee_b Miilons for the first one?? many thousands maybe...but many more have died by the hands Christians and Jews, all your Q's and A's are open ended and opinionative except for the France one...please try again. Could i go on....Yes

Millions yes. Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Saddam, Africa, Pakistan, Afganistan. This is all recent history. C'mon open tour eyes, you can do better than that!

Islam is in a sorry state. Fuck the jihad!

Ican coroberate every one of my statements as could others on this board.

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Originally posted by DigiNut your post is anti-Israel rhetoric that has nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq in the first place. Why post it?

Since the primary reason to go to war was based on WMDs and Iraq's violations of UN resolutions, why wouldn't the same behavior exhibited by the Israel be relevent?

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"your post is anti-Israel rhetoric that has nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq in the first place. Why post it? " by Diginuts

Is pro-truth anti-Israeli? No, there are many Israelis (ex. Jews for Justice) that share the same view and are Israeli.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Since the primary reason to go to war was based on WMDs and Iraq's violations of UN resolutions, why wouldn't the same behavior exhibited by the Israeli be relevent?

I can't even say whether or not it's relevant because the statements are completely jaded and uncorroborated. One could theoretically create any artificial relevance they choose if one is given the option of pulling facts and figures out of one's ass.

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Originally posted by sufee_b What a surprise...my test worked!! All pro-Israel and pro-zionless....sorry zionist wanks...disagreed...probably didnt even read the whole thing...and the rest agreed FYI...its all common knowledge...they are facts...if any sensible user wishes to get the source...i will be happy to give it to them...just PM me...

Nothing but ad-hominems and appeals to unknown authorities, congratulations.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I can't even say whether or not it's relevant because the statements are completely jaded and uncorroborated. One could theoretically create any artificial relevance they choose if one is given the option of pulling facts and figures out of one's ass.

So there is no relevance of two countries in the same region who have secretly persued WMD programs and violated UN resolutions?

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Originally posted by igottaknow So there is no relevance of two countries in the same region who have secretly persued WMD programs and violated UN resolutions?

your barking up the tree of an inconsistant analogy.

Here's why:

Israel has never (as in not once, never, nil, zero, nada) been condemned by the UN for WMD.

Anyone who knows the often the UN condemns Israel should be awe struck by this.

Second, Israel doesn't have a WMD program

Third, Israel has never been sanctioned or regulations/restriction imposed because of its WMD policy.

Fouth, Israel has never been aggressive to its neighbors and does not pose a threat to the region (so long as no one tries to destory it).

If Israel was condemned the the UN for WMD, did start a war numerous times, and had been sanctioned afterwords to no effect, then your anaology would be compatiable.

Afterall, the same points this anti-zoinist raised regarding Israel's WMD endevaours could just have easily been "facts" for Iran, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, or Sudan. Nope, the author just to discriminate soley against Israel in this cause (clearly antisemtic ).


So to address your statement again "So there is no relevance of two countries in the same region who have secretly persued WMD programs and violated UN resolutions?" No! There are MUCH MORE than two countries in the region. So why pick and say there is relevance with only one?

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Originally posted by sufee_b Take the War on Iraq IQ Test - Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq? 7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the UN? A: 10% (that's about$40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested to fund the US retaliatory attack on Afghanistan).

40 Billion na d all the world's problems are solved.... right...

We can't even rebuild Iraq for 40 billion..

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10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical & biological weapons on their own? A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government, along with Britain and private corporations.

Gee, awfully convenient to forget Iraq's #1 Chem/bio supplier, Germany. And Iraq's #1 nuclear supplier France, and Iraq's #1 delivery vehicle (for WMD) supplier, Russia...

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13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time? A:0

I guess the "Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988" that was unanimously passed when we found out about Halabja doesn't count...

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16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War? A: 35,000

The first Gulf War?

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17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western forces during the Gulf War ? A: 0

Wrong.

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19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after the Gulf War? A: 40 tons 20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994? A: 700%

Great, only WMD [oops EDIT: DU] can't be shown to cause increased cancer rates. In fact, the most likely reason why Iraqis had increased cancer rates are from Saddam using his chem weapons in the Shiite areas of Iraq...

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22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything other than deterrence and self defence? A: No

You mean besides the two prior wars of aggression?

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23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years ago? A: No

No kidding, we already removed Saddam...

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24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of an attack on Iraq in 2002/3? A: 10,000

Yep, and they were right on the $...

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29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports? A: 12 years 30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)? A: 38 31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraqin 1999 (per 1,000 births)? A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%) 32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a result of UN sanctions? A: 1.5 million 33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions since 1997? A: 750,000

Yeah, it's criminal that UN oficials, as well as several European officials greased their palms with oil-for-food money. Every single death rests on their shoulders if these allegations are true.

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34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq? A: No

Wrong again. 1997/1998

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41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992? A: Over 65

Better question: How many of those resolutions are actual binding on Israel?

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