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Originally posted by Izzy please, help me out too edit: btw i think we've just found melech_mikes polar opposite - the "anti- honest reporting" thread poster

Now all we need to do is get them both posting in the same thread. That way they can counter each other's articles with one of their own - and the rest of us can completely ignore them. We'll be free of the Israeli - Palestinian threads forever!

"Honest reporting - the battle of the article posters"

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So if I choke on a pretzel and it doesn't make global news, can I blame it on media bias?

I'll tell you why Israeli deaths are reported more vigorously than Palestinian deaths. It isn't because of "bias", it isn't a media conspiracy to cover up Israeli "atrocities," it's just common sense.

Let me dumb it down for you: if you were the owner of a news organization interested in making as much money as possible, what criteria would you use to determine what to publish?

If you had any sense in you, you'd publish what your readers were most interested in. Now, what makes people interested in some given news story:

1. It has a direct effect on them or someone they're familiar with.
2. It's highly unusual.
3. It is emotionally powerful.

An abbreviated list, I'm sure, but enough to make the point. Israeli deaths, as shown in the statistics provided by this "expose," are much more unusual than Palestinian deaths, equally emotionally powerful, and approximately equally directly affecting the reader or someone they're familiar with.

"DING!"

If something happens every single day, no matter how tragic it may be, people aren't going to want to read an article about it every day. That's just common sense. People want something new and different. Israeli deaths are much less frequent, and therefore more interesting. It has nothing to do with the "value of the lives." I hope these morons feel good about themselves for putting together this report. It was really enlightening - about the authors' inability (or perhaps just unwillingness) to see the obvious.

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Originally posted by DigiNut No shit, that site is some of the worst anti-Israel propaganda I've ever seen. Just read the first few paragraphs of their "history": Clearly this site is anything BUT objective journalism. How about we start off by realizing that there WAS no Palestinian state 2000 years ago, or even 60 years ago?

Denial denial denial.. "there was no palestinian state 2000 years ago"...

Of course there wasnt.. there were NO STATES 2000 years ago..empires, regions, and kingdoms existed instead

The REGION of PALESTINE was there longer than there was a state of Israel. That region has been known as Palestine even by the Zionists who wanted to create the state of Israel on top of it. ITs been there for centuries.

ITs so funny how zionists tend to bring up "States" as a legitimate way of denouncing a people and their indeginous home. That this is the only way people can justify a claim to a land, even if that means removing the indeginous population.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Denial denial denial.. "there was no palestinian state 2000 years ago"... Of course there wasnt.. there were NO STATES 2000 years ago..empires, regions, and kingdoms existed instead The REGION of PALESTINE was there longer than there was a state of Israel. That region has been known as Palestine even by the Zionists who wanted to create the state of Israel on top of it. ITs been there for centuries. ITs so funny how zionists tend to bring up "States" as a legitimate way of denouncing a people and their indeginous home. That this is the only way people can justify a claim to a land, even if that means removing the indeginous population.

wtf?

So the land of Judea has been there even longer so there!
I don't care if the Romans tried to rechristian the land after they got their asses handed to them, it doesn't fly.

Come on, anyone who uses historic arguments that date back more thant a 100 years is a phony.


arbiter good post.
But if you look at purely the numbers of death of Israeli children report to Palestinina you can get this figure:
San Fran Times only reported 4 Israel child deaths and 5!!!! Palestinian deaths. Thats 120% bias in favor of Palestinians!!!

:shakeshead: idiots

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Originally posted by Yoepus wtf? So the land of Judea has been there even longer so there! I don't care if the Romans tried to rechristian the land after they got their asses handed to them, it doesn't fly. Come on, anyone who uses historic arguments that date back more thant a 100 years is a phony.

And what was it before "judea" was ackowledged? A band of tribes with Israelites as ONE of them feuding for lands...

Why dont we make an arab country called "mesopotamia"

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Originally posted by Cyrus King And what was it before "judea" was ackowledged? A band of tribes with Israelites as ONE of them feuding for lands...

Yea but we united 5000BC, you guys never could, can, or will

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Because its called Iraq?

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Originally posted by Yoepus Yea but we united 5000BC, you guys never could, can, or will

Try not to make up your own historical time line..you like to strech things dont you?

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Because its called Iraq?

No... i think those of us who can trace our lineage back to mesopotamia, even if you are from eastern europe and you think you have a connection to that land becuase you beleive in the same faith of those that lived in mesopotamia (diaspora).... should go onto iraq.. remove hundreds of thousands of those people from their land, and make it our own country! ONLY US MESOPOTAMIANS!!!!!!!!!

Although these "iraqi's" have been there for centuries... the mesopotamians were there first...even though it existed for a short while until actual kingdoms and rulers started to divide that land.

Like Judea, mesopotamians should unite and claim their land back!!!!!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King No... i think those of us who can trace our lineage back to mesopotamia, even if you are from eastern europe and you think you have a connection to that land becuase you beleive in the same faith of those that lived in mesopotamia (diaspora).... should go onto iraq.. remove hundreds of thousands of those people from their land, and make it our own country! ONLY US MESOPOTAMIANS!!!!!!!!! Although these "iraqi's" have been there for centuries... the mesopotamians were there first...even though it existed for a short while until actual kingdoms and rulers started to divide that land. Like Judea, mesopotamians should unite and claim their land back!!!!!

Hey what can I say, go for it.

Now's a better time than ever with Iraq.

I'll cross my fingers for you.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Denial denial denial.. "there was no palestinian state 2000 years ago"... Of course there wasnt.. there were NO STATES 2000 years ago..empires, regions, and kingdoms existed instead

Yeah... 2000 years ago there were no states at all. 60 years ago there were, and Palestine wasn't one of them.

I don't see how the "region" argument holds any water. We might as well say that Iraq and Iran are all the same historical region so we should merge them into one country.

P.S. Don't blame me for the post whoring in the political forum, sufee's just been posting a lot of articles in here that need to be debunked.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Yeah... 2000 years ago there were no states at all. 60 years ago there were, and Palestine wasn't one of them. I don't see how the "region" argument holds any water. We might as well say that Iraq and Iran are all the same historical region so we should merge them into one country. P.S. Don't blame me for the post whoring in the political forum, sufee's just been posting a lot of articles in here that need to be debunked.

So what if there was no actual border/nation drawn around palestine??? It was still palestine with people who were living there for centuries, most of the Palestinian. Even if it were still a region TODAY... would it still be okay and remove them from their land to make a nation out of the blue for people who are not even realy from there???

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Originally posted by Cyrus King So what if there was no actual border/nation drawn around palestine??? It was still palestine with people who were living there for centuries, most of the Palestinian. Even if it were still a region TODAY... would it still be okay and remove them from their land to make a nation out of the blue for people who are not even realy from there???

You seem to be asking an entirely different question here... my point is that there was no Palestine for centuries, the people of that "region" were all inhabitants of various different bordering nations, and that there isn't really any valid historical grouping of these people.

So when you take that into account, it doesn't really make sense to say that Israel invaded "Palestine" and expelled their people. But the purpose of saying it is quite clear - it sounds a lot less threatening to have one hostile "Palestinian" people than 6 surrounding hostile nations. Because when you think of ONE nation being mildly hostile to the Jews, it's not as big a deal - but when you think of several of them all ganging up on the Jews, it's a lot harder not to admit that they HAD to do what they did and become "Zionists" in order to survive.

The difference in opinion here is that you liken Israel's emergence to a fat guy doing a cannonball into the middle of a kiddie pool. But the reality of the situation was more like a big ship sailing out to the middle of the Pacific ocean - with maybe another group of little ships coming in to catch the scenery, and all of them suddenly finding themselves surrounded by 5000 loaded gunboats. Even if the gunboats don't fire first, it's pretty obvious in that situation what direction things are headed in...

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Denial denial denial.. "there was no palestinian state 2000 years ago"... Of course there wasnt.. there were NO STATES 2000 years ago..empires, regions, and kingdoms existed instead The REGION of PALESTINE was there longer than there was a state of Israel. That region has been known as Palestine even by the Zionists who wanted to create the state of Israel on top of it. ITs been there for centuries. ITs so funny how zionists tend to bring up "States" as a legitimate way of denouncing a people and their indeginous home. That this is the only way people can justify a claim to a land, even if that means removing the indeginous population.

Yeah but here's the kicker...

Q: What were Jews living in Palestine called in the 1800's to early 1900's?

A: Palestinians

Q: What were the people now known as Palestinians called?

A: Arabs

The idea of a "Palestinian" people is a modern construct, it has no basis in historical ethnic divisions...