I suppose the only positive thing about these revelations is that it exposes these terrorist bastards for what they are, and not the saints people in the upper echelons of the US and Brit administrations would have us believe (and I wouldn't think these incidents are the only ones of this nature). But we can't really expect justice of any sort to be meted out to those who were responsible for these specific acts. British soldiers in the past, responsible for murder (and convicted for murder) of innocent civilians in Ireland, have been let back into the British Army. Those who have mistreated these prisoners will get a slap on the wrists at the most. Investigations and repercussions will be mere circus shows for the media (so these so-called respectable administrations will be seen to be doing something about what happened).
Fucking disgraceful overall, but not in the slightest bit surprising.

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"The 372nd’s abuse of prisoners seemed almost routine—a fact of Army life that the soldiers felt no need to hide."

Dang, enough's enough. It's not like we're shoving 220 volt wires up their ass or something. We got a few terrorists posing naked for the camera. There's quite a large difference between humility and tortue. In Saddam's day, they used to interrogate with power tools--normally only once since they couldn't survive round one. C'mon now, lighten up on the US and allies...


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I agree.. I'd be cautious about using the word "torture" in this regard. Cruel and Unusual? Absolutely! Humiliating? No doubt! A violation of Geneva? Without a flinch. Torture? I'd pause.

Torture is used to describe physical pain. And being naked, although embarassing, isn't that painful.

Oh well really doesn't matter. Just a minor mute point. Everyone will think what they will about this.

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Originally posted by Yoepus I agree.. I'd be cautious about using the word "torture" in this regard. Cruel and Unusual? Absolutely! Humiliating? No doubt! A violation of Geneva? Without a flinch. Torture? I'd pause. Torture is used to describe physical pain. And being naked, although embarassing, isn't that painful. Oh well really doesn't matter. Just a minor mute point. Everyone will think what they will about this.

Shoving a broomstick up someones ass is torture

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Originally posted by Yoepus Torture is used to describe physical pain.

So the term "psychic/mental torture" is just a misnomer then?

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Atleast these prisoners dont have automatic weapons pointed at their heads with demands such as "if all militants dont surrender we will kill these prisoners"

and they also dont get their heads cut off when the americans are getting what they want

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper So the term "psychic/mental torture" is just a misnomer then?

Depends on context of course.

I mean, none of us think that torture is just physical or mental pain. I just took a shit - that was torture! Or, my professor is torturing us with all the homework he assigned. Or, I went to an atheltics camp and they tortured us by taking showers with no hot water.

These although common phrases aren't what I come to think when I hear the word "torture" alone.



Though, I am curious what are exampels of mental torture in your opinion?

Are they mind games like we just killed your friend.. we'll kill you, you better talk, or what exactly?

I don't think mental torture can be torture without a physical component, but I may be wrong.

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Originally posted by smokeape We got a few terrorists posing naked for the camera.

Terrorists? I was under the impression that the majority of these people were no more than alleged thieves who were languishing in jail without trial.

I don't intend to get into a debate on the definition of the word 'torture', as I've seen where that can lead to (definition of terrorism anyone?), but I would like to see some evidence that these people are actually terrorists.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Though, I am curious what are exampels of mental torture in your opinion?

I was thinking of stuff like getting thrown into solitary confinement with one small hole as your only source of light for several months/years, people being brutally killed in front of your eyes, etc. The kind of things that are done for one purpose, namely to destroy an individual's psyche.

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Punching a guy's teeth out, breaking his jaw, beating him to near death and dumping him out of a moving truck after beeing urinated on is torture.

As disgusting as those pictures were, they were not quite as surprising. After all, a good number of these soldiers are redneck dropouts from the back-asses of nowhewere in the midwestern U.S. and the U.K. They have probably even served some time themselves.

Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
1 a. Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
b. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.
2. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.
3. Something causing severe pain or anguish.



anyway, don't forget that it is a big shame for muslims to be shown naked for another man, and even more to do sexual activities.