hrm.... actually. producers now may use similar synths etc..... but the sound is SO much fuller, thicker, more complex, intricate, loaded with effects. they add more variation to the percussion now, and simply put the tracks nowadays dont sound simple. honestly, you need to compare a good track from 1999 and one from 2004, you'll notice production quality is changed drastically. for example, take binary finary - 1999, and then listen to one of elevation's tracks such as meridian, or maybe one of filo & peri's or endre's tracks. they're music is not just a screaming synth w/ a catchy lead. the amount of production work they put into the tracks now is simply amazing. so plz..... stfu.

i havent heard much, but thats because what i have heard i didnt like, and havent bothered downloading much else. I agree, the first half of 2003 was crazy for tunes, and then it started to drop off by the end of 2003.

I think the older producers are trying different stuff, like more prog and house. more power to them for going their own route, but i just wish we had more quality tunes to listen to

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Originally posted by djVersus and let me also add....... I am still waiting on a good decent MIKE production, not to mention a good Airwave production. alot of their latest stuff is just

out now:

Push - Electric Eclipse (the album)

coming up:

Yamasaki - In My Mind (= L-Vee + Vincent Kriek)

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Originally texted by Jakhira Out with the dog at the moment. Chicks love him, and I love chicks... The world is in harmony

your point?

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personally, I thought electric eclips sucked big time. Compare that sh*t to "legacy", "strange world"?

no comparison

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Originally posted by TOR out now: Push - Electric Eclipse (the album) coming up: Yamasaki - In My Mind (= L-Vee + Vincent Kriek)

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O.K., well I'll restate what I had said earlier. I think it's probably due to the fact that there's more and more sample CDs out there.

Although once I thought about it, I realized that more sample CDs would only make for more varied trance. I mean you spoke of the old producers moulding every aspect of the sound, making it soun unique, but the reality is that 90-95% of the oldschool tracks use a Roland X0X for the percussion, but nowadays we have different drum machines and better samplers. It used to be that the synths and effects were rather limited, but nowadays there's so many you can literally spend weeks going through all the stuff and not even scratch the surface. Basslines have become more imaginative - after all, the typical bassline used to be syncopated in regards to the kick drum, but more and more producers are straying away from that.

The use of software synthesizers does not in itself make for a flat sound. If that's what you believe then you either don't produce or aren't very talented at it.

I agree that the new sounds have lost the feel of the old sounds, but I think you're laying blame in all the wrong places. I think too many people are expecting producers to come up with the old-style sounds, when those sounds are, for the most part, outdated nowadays. Why do you think producers make remakes of their classics? They've got better technology now and want to refine their original idea with it. I believe part of the reason that people think trance nowadays is dying, sounds the same, etc... is because they have memories of the first few compositions they heard, and it was mindblowing. Not necessarily because it was unbelievably good (although there are old tracks that still are unbelievably good), but because it was the first thing you listened to. Of course the first time it was great - you had never heard it before and it was a new world to you, besides which, it conjured thoughts and/or feelings that hadn't been conjured within you before with other music. I'm generalizing, but that's the general experience of any trance lover. I think we have to accept the fact that trance has become a drug of sorts, and we probably aren't ever going to feel that initial high - not because of a lack of quality, but because of a desensitization to it all.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i think its funny when people use examples of tunes as what trance should sound like and i think its the exact type of tune that is hurting it...

Heh, yeah that's exactly what I was thinking

My 2 cents, I think there has been a decline in trance lately, i was lookin thru my older sets and hav confirmed '02, even '01 maybe, was the year(s) of trance w/ corsten trance energy 2002, pvd - rosenmontag and mayday 2002, dumonde - rpr maximal 2002. but personally i think this has slightly spread into prog house as i miss stuff that i heard in deep dish sets from 2002 n 2003,and we havnt seen many sets from sasha or digweed this year when only two years ago they dropped their WMC i think it was, which was named essential mix on radio 1. Also, stuff tenaglia was playin was tite, but i dont hav my ear pressed up against all aspects of the scene so i could be missin stuff. But as a defense, i still hear a lotta quality tracks comin out, and the production level is dramatically rising, so many diff sounds n fuller, deeper sounds, jus mebbe since everyone is puttin out better trax, ppl expecting to hear that next "silence" or "words" track and that is getting harder and harder to do. Overall, it aint as good as sum of '03 and b4, but good stuff still being put out, i think a lotta good stuff will resurface again, like its jus a phase where not so many good songs, then a bunch of em, but corsten i think has been on a streak lately churnin out hits, but no seminal sets like those i listed iv heard as of late. Props to producers like benz, dekay, powerplant, n the younger prog house producers that r makin all the trax now, but im not feelin that at all. Quality is good, and it seems they really did put time n effort into their work and respect to them, but i miss stuff like planet funk - inside all the people (deep dish fish mix), being a trance forum, i miss trax like second sun empire pvd mix n corsten's cry dotnl mix, but G+D holdin it down for both genres and though not a big fan of taurine, i think a mix of it would show aalto is on a good path, and like i said, corsten is tite.
LAAAAAATE n thanx fer readin my irrelevant thoughts haha

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Originally posted by Tranc3 O.K., well I'll restate what I had said earlier. I think it's probably due to the fact that there's more and more sample CDs out there. Although once I thought about it, I realized that more sample CDs would only make for more varied trance. I mean you spoke of the old producers moulding every aspect of the sound, making it soun unique, but the reality is that 90-95% of the oldschool tracks use a Roland X0X for the percussion, but nowadays we have different drum machines and better samplers. It used to be that the synths and effects were rather limited, but nowadays there's so many you can literally spend weeks going through all the stuff and not even scratch the surface. Basslines have become more imaginative - after all, the typical bassline used to be syncopated in regards to the kick drum, but more and more producers are straying away from that. The use of software synthesizers does not in itself make for a flat sound. If that's what you believe then you either don't produce or aren't very talented at it. I agree that the new sounds have lost the feel of the old sounds, but I think you're laying blame in all the wrong places. I think too many people are expecting producers to come up with the old-style sounds, when those sounds are, for the most part, outdated nowadays. Why do you think producers make remakes of their classics? They've got better technology now and want to refine their original idea with it. I believe part of the reason that people think trance nowadays is dying, sounds the same, etc... is because they have memories of the first few compositions they heard, and it was mindblowing. Not necessarily because it was unbelievably good (although there are old tracks that still are unbelievably good), but because it was the first thing you listened to. Of course the first time it was great - you had never heard it before and it was a new world to you, besides which, it conjured thoughts and/or feelings that hadn't been conjured within you before with other music. I'm generalizing, but that's the general experience of any trance lover. I think we have to accept the fact that trance has become a drug of sorts, and we probably aren't ever going to feel that initial high - not because of a lack of quality, but because of a desensitization to it all.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 I believe part of the reason that people think trance nowadays is dying, sounds the same, etc... is because they have memories of the first few compositions they heard, and it was mindblowing. Not necessarily because it was unbelievably good (although there are old tracks that still are unbelievably good), but because it was the first thing you listened to. Of course the first time it was great - you had never heard it before and it was a new world to you, besides which, it conjured thoughts and/or feelings that hadn't been conjured within you before with other music. I'm generalizing, but that's the general experience of any trance lover. I think we have to accept the fact that trance has become a drug of sorts, and we probably aren't ever going to feel that initial high - not because of a lack of quality, but because of a desensitization to it all.

Agree completely. You never forget your carneira (first love).