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Sand Leaper
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Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Oslo, Norway

Whaddaya mean Palestinians don't gather much Western sympathy? At least over here the media + at least 60% of the people are so Pro-Pal that it isn't even funny. And I don't think this is the only place in Europe where this is the case either..


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TranceGiant
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quote:
Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Whaddaya mean Palestinians don't gather much Western sympathy? At least over here the media + at least 60% of the people are so Pro-Pal that it isn't even funny. And I don't think this is the only place in Europe where this is the case either..


60? Lol, I think 85%+ is more accurate. And no, it ain't only Norway, it's in all of Europe. Especially in countries with a high rate of anti-Jewish sentiments and/or large Arab population such as Spain, Italy, France.


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Yoepus
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60? Lol, I think 85%+ is more accurate. And no, it ain't only Norway, it's in all of Europe. Especially in countries with a high rate of anti-Jewish sentiments and/or large Arab population such as Spain, Italy, France.


Its because Europeans appreciate and respect Barbarism and savegry


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BadBadNeil
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Registered: Dec 2003
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Originally posted by mps242
Sorry, but no cause is so worthwhile that it can justify intentionally murdering several toddlers and a pregnant woman...

If they had gotten blown up at an army checkpoint, so be it... That's collateral damage..... This... is just savagery... Occasionally I give a shit about Palestinians, that lasts all of about 20 minutes untill the next time they pull shit like this...

I simply can't fathom how anyone thinks it is possible to negotiate a truce with people like this...

The video on reuters.feedroom.com pretty much killed any sympathy that I have for the Palestinian cause...


Pretty much how I feel as well.
Killing militants and military in a war is one thing but intentional innocent civilian killing is totally different.

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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

I rarely enter these Palestinian/Israeli threads, so I'll make my visit brief with a hypothetical question:

If the US were to leave the conflict alone between these two, would that not entail the US to cease funding Israel to the tune of $3 billion a year? Furthermore, how damaging would that actually be to either side if the US actually took a neutral stance and fully committed to sitting on the fence?

(I know this would never happen, of course. The US has too many ties to Israel, both politically and economically. But it is just a hypothetical.)


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St_Andrew
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Registered: May 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

quote:
Originally posted by mps242
Sorry, but no cause is so worthwhile that it can justify intentionally murdering several toddlers and a pregnant woman...

If they had gotten blown up at an army checkpoint, so be it... That's collateral damage..... This... is just savagery... Occasionally I give a shit about Palestinians, that lasts all of about 20 minutes untill the next time they pull shit like this...

I simply can't fathom how anyone thinks it is possible to negotiate a truce with people like this...

The video on reuters.feedroom.com pretty much killed any sympathy that I have for the Palestinian cause...


wo, take it easy, i'm IN NO WAY, justifying those attacks. i just say that somehow it make some sense that they feel anger and want to revange on this people (she had a pro settlements text on her car..).

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Flotser
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I rarely enter these Palestinian/Israeli threads, so I'll make my visit brief with a hypothetical question:

If the US were to leave the conflict alone between these two, would that not entail the US to cease funding Israel to the tune of $3 billion a year? Furthermore, how damaging would that actually be to either side if the US actually took a neutral stance and fully committed to sitting on the fence?

(I know this would never happen, of course. The US has too many ties to Israel, both politically and economically. But it is just a hypothetical.)


I'm realy not sure....
but i guess USA pays this money to Israel mostly since the peace agremment with Egypt. Egypt also is getting lotsa money from US.


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imokruok
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I'm realy not sure....
but i guess USA pays this money to Israel mostly since the peace agremment with Egypt. Egypt also is getting lotsa money from US.


Yes - Egypt gets over $2 billion in direct US aid every year, nearly the amount which goes to Israel. Egypt gets the second-highest amount of American foreign aid, followed by Colombia, and another Arab state, Jordan, is #4. Unfortunately, we don't attach nearly enough strings to that money, because there is a lot of evidence that the money that goes to social programs actually goes to fundamentalist mosques.

Every year, there's a resolution in House to cut the aid, but it usually fails because Mubarak calls up and says things will only get worse if we stop paying them off. The only thing that Bush has been able to do is stop the yearly increases in the funding.


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More details on yesterday's massacre of the five members of the Hatuel family are now known

The 2 Palestinian terrorists shot at the car carrying the mother and her four daughters, and when the vehicle veered off the side of the road, the terrorists performed "ascertainment of death:" they ran over to the car and, at point-blank range, shot each of the occupants to death: Tali, the 8-month pregnant mother, and Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, and two-year-old Meirav. The murderers then continued to unload dozens of more bullets into the bodies. Zaka volunteers worked for a long while afterwards to collect the body parts from the car and its vicinity.

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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by VanFleet
More details on yesterday's massacre of the five members of the Hatuel family are now known

The 2 Palestinian terrorists shot at the car carrying the mother and her four daughters, and when the vehicle veered off the side of the road, the terrorists performed "ascertainment of death:" they ran over to the car and, at point-blank range, shot each of the occupants to death: Tali, the 8-month pregnant mother, and Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, and two-year-old Meirav. The murderers then continued to unload dozens of more bullets into the bodies. Zaka volunteers worked for a long while afterwards to collect the body parts from the car and its vicinity.


Damn, that's just sick and wrong. F$cking animals.

Shouldn't they have "responded" with a military action in their own right, rather than killing innocent women and children (pregnant women, no less)? I mean, really, what's the f$cking point in killing the innocent and helpless like that?

What a bunch of twats. They deserve a torturous death themselves.


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Cyrus King
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Location: Toronto

these people are sick.

But settlers are asking for this danger when they move into an area where they are enemies of the surrounding populace.


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Yoepus
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Registered: Jan 2002
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quote:
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What a bunch of twats. They deserve a torturous death themselves.


Well you'd have to definre torture first.


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