Good topic....

But heres a question...Do you know the first evidence of racism on paper?

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Originally posted by sufee_b Good topic.... But heres a question...Do you know the first evidence of racism on paper?

Black ink on a white piece of paper, crumpled up and dropped in a sandbox by some slanty eyed Asian computer programmer?

well this is an interesting topic.

-Is anything wrong with me?

I wouldnt say so. I think its a natural tendency being brought up in a society where race is still an issue and black slavery was abolished not too long ago.

-Is this a common case?

?

-Does that mean I am not truely a humanist?

Try not to focus on race. Dont stereotype and dont judge others by the way they look. Judge them by who they are as an individual.

-Does one ever have a chance of shaking off influeces that might have affected him since his infant stages, printing in his mind values he would later learn to despise?


Yea, sure why not. You are who you are by your 1. genetics, 2. environment. So your influences from environment can be changed.

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Originally posted by Shakka Black ink on a white piece of paper, crumpled up and dropped in a sandbox by some slanty eyed Asian computer programmer?

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without actually knowing you, it is hard to say.

Personally, i hate being politically correct all the time.
I make fun of everyone equally. The thing with me is, i won't say something about someone that i don't have the guts to say it to their face.

Taking a Jap class right now, and the whole class is pretty much diverse. We make fun of each other all the time and it is all fun and giggles. We figure it is good to make fun, and not take the whole race thing to serious.
Latino, by the way, but i like to consider my self much more thant just that.

We are all more alike than we are different. my .02

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There is no such thing as race as someone said before.

But their are such things as evolution. Some people veiw different kinds of people to be more evolved than others.

Neitzche and Darwin listed sub-saharan Africans as the lowest humans can get in evolution. And they listed Germanics(Germans, Dutch, English, Danes, Norweigens and Swedes) and all their decensdantes as the most evolved people.

These are people who have shaped are lives today. I would not call myself a racist for believing in these thoughts. But you have to look at history and see that Sub-saharan Africans have not contributed to any advancement in human kind. Personally I blame them for destroying the Egyptian Civilization.

This is not hatred but I don't think that foreign aid, and blaming europeans for all of africa's problems are solutions to the African problem either.

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Originally posted by TranceMessiah There is no such thing as race as someone said before.

Well, all dogs are dogs, but there still are retrievers, huskies and all other varieties. Race is not an absolute term, but it can be somewhat of a guideline.

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But their are such things as evolution. Some people veiw different kinds of people to be more evolved than others.

Yes, but that doesn't have much to do with race.

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Neitzche and Darwin listed sub-saharan Africans as the lowest humans can get in evolution. And they listed Germanics(Germans, Dutch, English, Danes, Norweigens and Swedes) and all their decensdantes as the most evolved people.

Darwin and Nietzche??? AFAIK, Darwin had not drawn any such conclusions, and neither did Nietzche, although his works were later misinterpreted by the nazis in order to make it seem that way.

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These are people who have shaped are lives today.

Along with romans, greeks, babylonians, egyptians, mongols, slavs, chinese, indians...it's more likely a pure coincidence. Up until 1000 years ago, germanic nations were among the least developed in the world.

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I would not call myself a racist for believing in these thoughts. But you have to look at history and see that Sub-saharan Africans have not contributed to any advancement in human kind.

Agreed, but that doesn't count as a proof of their genetic inferiority. Take for example Poland and Moldavia. They're both genetically the same people, yet Poland has contributed more to the civilization development. Not to mention that Poland is a prosperous EU country, while Moldavia is a 3rd world one.

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Personally I blame them for destroying the Egyptian Civilization.

Erm, last thing I remember is that it was the romans who destroyed Egypt in 525BC.

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This is not hatred but I don't think that foreign aid, and blaming europeans for all of africa's problems are solutions to the African problem either.

Definitely not blaming europeans, personally I think those countries were much better off under colonial rule. But foreign aid is the only way those countries can be reshaped into semi-modern nations.

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Fact: Australians are more highly evolved than New Zealanders.

Darwim and Neitzche are known racists. Fredrick Neitzche's teachings are used by Neo-facist all over western europe. Where have you been the last 5 years.I'm not saying that I agree with this, but both say that europeans are superior.

Egypt 525 BC what are you taking about? After conquest by Alexander the Great in 332 Egypt was permantly under foreign rule.

Decline of Egypt was due to Nubian kingdom of Kush which conqured Egypt in 712BC, Egypt was never able to regain streght after that. Nubians were origianlly slaves of the Egyptians, but due to power gained by the Semites in politics in Egypt, Nubians were givin eqaul rights in Egypt and eventually stabbed Egypt in the back.

Germans were a new people they just migrated to europe from the black sea region due to flooding a few hundred years before Rome was established. Modern europeans came from the black sea region. And were also pushed west due to Nomadic Turkish invasions.

Let me ask you one question who do you think looks more like the human ancestors a sub-saharan African or a German?

Oh ya and Polish and Moldavians are not the same. Moldavians are Romani notice the resemblince in flags between the two countries, they speak Romanian and are Romanian orthodox. Poland is made up of Germans, Balts and Slavs not at all close to Moldavians, and the language is hardly similar.

nietzsche regarded most humans as herd animals, is this racism? No. You may aswell brand him as a misanthropist.

www.friesian.com/nietzsch.htm

Read please.

Listen to this qoute by Nietzsch "the negro represents and earlier phase in human development", So am I wrong know for calling him a racist?

Last edited by TranceMessiah on May-06-2004 at 10:59