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Originally posted by Psygnosis Actually, that's easier said than done. By the end you will have a total different result.

I've watched and heard the result (a few Liquid M melodies were created by screwing around like that).

--djway

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Originally posted by djway I've watched and heard the result (a few Liquid M melodies were created by screwing around like that). --djway

Yeh but they are trained, the more you use the keyboard you actually learn how to use it better so Liquid M can easily do that. But a ordinary producer with no musical background that has just gotten into producing will find it VERY difficult. For me it was hard at the beginning but slowly gettin the hang of how to construct the ideas..

Soon you will have the knowledge on how to make remixes of your favourite songs by just listening to them rather than waiting for someone to contruct a MIDI. It all comes with time.

Again realise the fact that not everyone is the same, everyone has different skills and ideas so what is easy for someone is hard for you and vice versa.

Many people will produce for years and not even produce the quality of another individual who has produced for the same amount.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis Yeh but they are trained, the more you use the keyboard you actually learn how to use it better so Liquid M can easily do that. But a ordinary producer with no musical background that has just gotten into producing will find it VERY difficult. For me it was hard at the beginning but slowly gettin the hang of how to construct the ideas.. Soon you will have the knowledge on how to make remixes of your favourite songs by just listening to them rather than waiting for someone to contruct a MIDI. It all comes with time. Again realise the fact that not everyone is the same, we all have different skills and ideas so what is easy for someone is hard for you and vice versa. Many people will produce for years and not even produce the quality of another individual who has produced for the same amount.

You've contradicted yourself (saying they are "trained" [which they are not FYI], then saying they time on a keyboard <> enhancement). Not that it really matters, as it's getting a tad off topic.

--djway

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Let me put what you guys are saying into layman terms (correct me if im wrong!)

Your only a musician if you create new music...

Thats pretty much what you guys are saying right?

1) Doesnt that mean that people in classical orchestras playing beethoven or tchaikovsky are by your definiton not musicians? They are after all playing someone elses music - written and composed centuries ago by great composers.

2) How does this differ from a dj? Hes playing someone elses music and in fact by your previous definition he might be considered a greater musician because hes changing the music (no 2 dj sets are identical after all (even ones with the same tracklisting) with each dj doing ever so slightly differnet mixes, one could add an effect here or increase the length of the mix here, etc....) where as a classical orchestra practices so that their playing is identical each time with no change to the music.

3) Since when has the skill required to play an instrument ever been a definiton of a musician? Does learning how to play a double bass make you a better musician then someone who plays a classical guitar just because its harder to learn?

4) Since when has the quality of the music being produced/played defined if someone was a musician??? Fuck i mean Ringo Starr was considered a musician and you cant get much fucking worse for a drummer!!!


Im personally undecided on the issue, i can see points both way but really who gives a fuck!!!

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Nice to see you posting Leigh . Glad to see someone else has sat down and considered the other side of the coin [Which is what was/is really confusing me.]

--djway

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Thanks wade....

The fact of the matter is who really cares?? I find it incredibly funny though when people immediately jump up and start yelling that djs arent muso's then when you ask them to define their definition of a muso your able to show them that their definition doesnt really make any sense....

By the way this is not an attack on anyone on ta's beliefs, this is just something ive found when getting into this argument with non-dance music people... Its all in the definiton....

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Never hold your farts in!!!
They travel up your spine into your brain
and that where you get shit ideas from!!!

it really depends on what you classify as a musician. in the traditional sense, i guess dj's arent musicians, no. producers most certainly are musicians, but you would probably get the traditionalists saying that its not music, because its being produced with computers and hardware and stuff. which in my opinion is rubbish, because it still makes it music.

because society is evolving, things that used to be traditional, are changing, most definately for the better, and i think this is a case of that happening. DJs may play other peoples productions, but to a certain extent they are musicians, or maybe more so composers, as they certainly can structure sets to make the music sound better.

in the end, dj's are entertainers, and thats all that matters, isnt it?

I reckon some of the techno DJ's come close...

but no

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Originally posted by lethal Thanks wade.... The fact of the matter is who really cares?? I find it incredibly funny though when people immediately jump up and start yelling that djs arent muso's then when you ask them to define their definition of a muso your able to show them that their definition doesnt really make any sense.... By the way this is not an attack on anyone on ta's beliefs, this is just something ive found when getting into this argument with non-dance music people... Its all in the definiton....

I care, well, ok, I'm wanting to know what other people think (not coz I'm a sheep), just to know what the general consenus is on the issue. It's not really something I've even thought about till today, and well, the little discussion was over in under a min with them believe me, but I don't feel right with the term.

--djway_

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I believe that you have to have musical talent to DJ, this is mainly the technical side of it, but also you need to have creative talent to put a good set together.
The main thing I think you have to have to be a musician and a DJ is passion and love of the music you are playing.

Is a singer a musician, is a DJ a musician..... I agree with Leigh does it really matter.

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Well I believe that (good) DJ's posses some of the talent/understanding of music to be able to do what they do.. but I don't think DJ'n in it's self needed enought of it to qualify them as muscians..

In the context of Electronic Dance Music it is only the producers that can called themselves muscians (as well as composers). And they are only being musicans if they are A: Playing a keyboard on stage or B: Playing a keyboard in the studio as part of the recording process.

So I guess that make me a musican! hehe