Alright, I'll try to be as fair as possible:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...502#post2710502

Here's a poll in which you Spaniards can discuss about the changes with the people who live in America.

Let's see what everybody thinks about it.

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Originally posted by Lira (that's true, ste) Yo soy contra la creación de un nuevo foro regional porque: Ustedes ya lo tienen. Como ya he dicho, aunque lo tengan junto de los TA's de América, no podrían tenerlo sin ellos, por causa de la cuantidad de personas. Si hubiera ahora un foro solamente para los europeos, tendríamos un foro americano aún/aun menor. Mira cuantas pessoas han contestado en tus tópicos: no creo que hayan tantos españoles regularmente postando acá, ¿no es?

mmm, por lo que dices creo que lo que te preocupa realmente es moderar un foro más pequeño.

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Originally posted by jlosada mmm, por lo que dices creo que lo que te preocupa realmente es moderar un foro más pequeño.

I don't care about the size of the forums I mod: I care about those who still have got no forum. Why would the latin americans have a forum with 5 people and the Russians wouldn't with 6 people?

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jlosada es evidente jeje

Salu2

it would be most helpful if them posts were in english, can't really comment apart from agreeing with ste

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Originally posted by Luke Terry it would be most helpful if them posts were in english, can't really comment apart from agreeing with ste

Here are the translations of the posts after mine (with the history)

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Originally posted by telemakko Hello!! Lira, I liked your history class but there are things I don't agree with and that I won't talk about... (sentence that I didn't understand much). Or at least your interpretation on what we really understand as "latin" or "ibero" words that don't correspond to what you say... ibero-american and spanish cultures are different, despite of the common language... and I don' want to talk about it either because you're not spanish and you can't understand all of it quote: Originally posted by UnBracKo The problem is that when a spanish user enters to TA thinks is only in english and in here not many ppl have the level of english for post frequently. So they don't see a forum where to talk in spanish and they don't register. In fact in the beginning I didn't realize that existed a spanish forum. I think many spanish ppl would register if they see a Spain Forum and they would know TA. It's easy just post a link of Tranceaddict in the most important spanish EDM websites and many clubbers will register. I'm sure if we make a good advertising many new users would register and Spain will have a own forum soon. Totally agree with unbracko as I, for example can read it, but I write it poorly xD and welll with many spaniards... as unbracko said if we had a spanish forum I can assure you we would have more posts, but many people don't register or don't log in because there isn't a clearly placed forum for Spanish people since in spain there are many websites about trance with a huge amount of posts and I can assure you that the forum from tranceaddict will grow in little time since (something I didn't understand) would bring people to this forum and you'll be one with most benefits as it'll increase your popularity. Cheers and thank you

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Originally posted by telemakko Hello again! I noticed the amount of posts of other forums and I realised that the Spanish speaking forum has more traffic than the Finnish one, for example: Spanish For Spanish speaking partiers from around the world to communicate... Posts:2838 Threads:342 Europe - Finland Home to Orkidea, Darude, Nokia and apparently Santa Claus as well. Posts:2297 Threads:123 As I can see there are forums like the Finnish one with less traffic than the spanish!!! Lira, I don't understand why you're against placing our forum to the place where it belongs Sorry if I'm forced to think in less objective reasons for the reaction against the creation of our forum according to the circunstances. Cheers

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Originally posted by ste at the end of the day ur probs not gonna get a forum, coz there is nowhere near enough ACTIVE members or scene in said country to warrent one, you were lucky to get the ibero american one and lok at that, its dead. i think the 15 person rules should change because you get a lot of people who post once to say there should be a forum then never appear again. it should be based o nthe amount of regular memebers.

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Originally posted by Lira (that's true, ste) Telemakko, the Finish forum was created this year, while the spanish speaking forum exists for two years and they've got almost the same amount of posts. I'm against the creation of a new regional forum because: you've already got it. As I've already said, even though you shar it with the TA's from America, you couldn't have it without them, because of the amount of people. If there were now a forum exclusively for the Europeans, the forum would be even smaller. Check how many people have been answered your threads: there aren't many Spaniards posting regularly here, right? You, for example, have got less than 20 posts, and you registered a long time ago Alright, I'll try to be as fair as possible: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...502#post2710502 Here's a poll in which you Spaniards can discuss about the changes with the people who live in America. Let's see what everybody thinks about it.

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Originally posted by jlosada Taking from what you said it seems that what worries you is modding a tiny forum

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Originally posted by Lira I don't care about the size of the forums I mod: I care about those who still have got no forum. Why would the latin americans have a forum with 5 people and the Russians wouldn't with 6 people?

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Originally posted by telemakko jlosada, it's obvious hehe Cheers

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"Obvious", telemakko? Stop playing the victim as you know how much I've tried to help you with this forum thing. I've already brought it to discussion in the Spanish forum (as you couldn't continue the discussion in English) and I showed you the many reasons why I was against it, and, despite of what I first said, I decided that it would be fair to have a poll, so we could decide it amongst all users.

I'm doing everything I can, discussing this issue with all users in order to be as fair as possible. In fact, as you guys don't speak English very well, I'll bother to translate as many posts from the poll as possible... hold on.

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Summary of the poll, which can be found at:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=180759

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Lira: Let's see. Some Spaniards are saying that they want the Spanish forum to be place in Europe. As it's not possible to create a new forum, we could just move this one. And, I will support the change if: 1) There are more than 15 Spaniards voting for the change 2) The users from hispanic-america accept it It's not possible to create a new forum: therefore, if the Spaniards want this forum to be moved to the European section than they've got to have the minimum amount of users and the support from those who live in America. Fair, right? You've got 15 days to decide and I won't vote as I'm not Spanish nor I'm in Spanish speaking America

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UnBracKo: Lira, you're a good mod! It's a very arbitrary decision and objective, as I had expected I'm pro-Europe and I voted "yes". My opinion is that the forum was created for Spanish speakers, right? But I also believe that Spain (because of it's importance as a country, Ibiza, and the good clubber scene it's got...) should have its own forum, and in Europe. The problem is that there are no active users and you can't create it yet, but if you can move it to Europe, it's a start. As for the spanish speaker that aren't in spain please understand that this forum should be in Euopre, simply it's a matter of roots and comprehension. If you think hard enough, certainly your great grandparents, grandparents, parents... lived in Spain (Europe) and therefore you've got a link (bond?) to Europe. Also this forum should keep being multicultural and that all spanish speakers post. peace

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shockwavedj: the truth is I'm a bit confused about it. I'm certain that it's a bit frustrating for the Spaniards to post "outside Europe", when even Isreal is considered European. Maybe the reason why there aren't more Spaniards posting is because, when they look for Europe, they can't find "Spain". On the other hand, I think we shouldn't support "segregation". Tranceaddict shouldn't be a forum with small community where you talk about the parties of your neighbourhood, but the opposite. (...)

I've got guests now, I'll translate the rest as soon as possible. If there's anyone who could help me translate, I'd appreciate

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Thank you Lira but I do not believe that we have a solution in which all the Spanish, Portuguese and American users, we are satisfied given the conditions of the managers of TA's forum..

maaz, you do have far too much time on your hands mate

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Originally posted by Luke Terry maaz, you do have far too much time on your hands mate

It's called "the wonders of typing with one hand while you eat your tea with the other"

Guests are still here so...

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Originally posted by Lira Summary of the poll, which can be found at: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=180759 I've got guests now, I'll translate the rest as soon as possible. If there's anyone who could help me translate, I'd appreciate

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SymsöniQuA Personnally I think that's so easy. Firstly we are not discriminating anybody this has to be clear but more clear is that Spain is in Europe (if someone thinks Israel is in Europe, please look your atlas... :P ) although isn't a very active forum should be in the European section: Since this forum exists put it where it has to be, in his place. It's only a movement and like the others have said the ppl who post here, should be posting but if it's possible in the European scene.

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UnBracKo: What I was saying... this french guy was searching the TA Spain forum for ask info about Costa Daurada... and finally he had to post the questions in the french forum. quote: quote: Originally posted by rafon3 Je pensais créer ce thread sur ta-spain.... mais çà n'existe pas I thought post this thread in TA-Spain... but it doesn't exist Donc je le mets ici, espérant que les frontaliers (ou les autres) pourront éclairer ma lanterne. So I put it in here (french forum) waiting that the frontiers (or the others) can explain my "lanterne" quote: Originally posted by webandyscott Ensuite, les ta espagnols se trouvent ici: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/....php?forumid=65 , ça on te le pardonne aussi . : . In fact the TA spaniards are in here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/....php?forumid=65 , but it has his apologyze. quote: Originally posted by rafon3 Désolé pour le ta-spain, je pensais que l'espagne était en europe c pour çà I'm sorry for TA-spaniards, I thought Spain was in Europe is for that... Complete thread here (in french) but I think it's clear http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=180275

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