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Originally posted by arctic Whenever there's a thread that deals with something an American or Americans have done - you often seem to call the posters 'haters' or 'brain washed propagandists'. Am I the only one who's starting to notice a pattern of denial here? I may be off the mark here - but to me it looks like that you don't think it's true because there are Americans involved.

the ITV story is shite

sufee_b hates america

he is also a propaganist.

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sufee_b hates america he is also a propaganist.

i havent read all the threads, on what do you base this statement?

everything is propaganda imo, everything is subjective, made by someone for someone. claiming someone is a propagandist doesnt mean much. are CNN, BBC, al-Jazeera or swedish state television objective? i dont think so, someone always chooses whats going to be said and what not.

if i watched CNN (or other US-based media) everyday i´d probably share your views. if you watched swedish news everyday, you´d probably share mine.


and what is a

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propaganist

anyway? someone who is for paganism? who supports worship of false gods?

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Originally posted by Q5echo the ITV story is shite sufee_b hates america he is also a propaganist.

people don't "hate America".

people hate arrogance, naivity, and blind allegiance to one's country and government.

keep in mind the Int'l Red Cross have publicly stated that they have reported mistreatment from long before these pics and videos surface. Rumsfield himself has seem more pics than have been released, and he has lost his usual brash, arrogant attitude. HE KNOWS THEY ARE FUCKED...and has admitted that he hasn't even viewed the videos yet.


http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154

face it...the U.S. military is not 100% made up of open-minded, educated Americans...it's got a hefty share of small town, small minded, intollerent Americans who view other countries and their inhabitants as "inferior".

If the U.S. administration is admitting to this much...imagine what the extent of the "truth" might be, hmmmm?

I don't hate America...I hate the arrogance and short-sightedness of the Bush administration who actually thought they would walk in, mop up Saddam, and turn Iraq into some shining beacon of Western democracy in the Middle East. I hate that so many Americans refuse to accept that Bush et al. were short sighted. I hate that so many Americans think that we hate America when we criticize the U.S. gov't. I hate that so many Americans respond to this criticism with a reply of "oh, typical...you're Canadian" because they are incapable of debating the issues themselves...

Last edited by MarkT on May-08-2004 at 22:27

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Originally posted by MarkT I don't hate America...I hate the arrogance and short-sightedness of the Bush administration who actually thought they would walk in, mop up Saddam, and turn Iraq into some shining beacon of Western democracy in the Middle East. I hate that so many Americans refuse to accept that Bush et al. were short sighted. I hate that so many Americans think that we hate America when we criticize the U.S. gov't. I hate that so many Americans respond to this criticism with a reply of "oh, typical...you're Canadian" because they are incapable of debating the issues themselves...

your not sufee_b either

I've never implied being canadian a reason for being anything

this is stupid

the thread topic is shite

the ITV story is ass

sufee_b is a hater and a propagandist

get off his nuts

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Originally posted by MarkT people don't "hate America". people hate arrogance, naivity, and blind allegiance to one's country and government.

exactly !

call a story out on it's merits and look what it's turning into.

c'mon, let me have it.

i deserve it. i'm american.

i have not once played down the events at abu-graib

but i will call a spade, a spade.

let's degenerate this thread further shall we?

i'm an american...and?

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Originally posted by MarkT people don't "hate America". people hate arrogance, naivity, and blind allegiance to one's country and government. keep in mind the Int'l Red Cross have publicly stated that they have reported mistreatment from long before these pics and videos surface. Rumsfield himself has seem more pics than have been released, and he has lost his usual brash, arrogant attitude. HE KNOWS THEY ARE FUCKED...and has admitted that he hasn't even viewed the videos yet. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154 face it...the U.S. military is not 100% made up of open-minded, educated Americans...it's got a hefty share of small town, small minded, intollerent Americans who view other countries and their inhabitants as "inferior". If the U.S. administration is admitting to this much...imagine what the extent of the "truth" might be, hmmmm? I don't hate America...I hate the arrogance and short-sightedness of the Bush administration who actually thought they would walk in, mop up Saddam, and turn Iraq into some shining beacon of Western democracy in the Middle East. I hate that so many Americans refuse to accept that Bush et al. were short sighted. I hate that so many Americans think that we hate America when we criticize the U.S. gov't. I hate that so many Americans respond to this criticism with a reply of "oh, typical...you're Canadian" because they are incapable of debating the issues themselves...

There is no point in wasting your time arguing with blissed ignorance, sadly there are those who feel that Bush has done nothing wrong in his Iraq policy and will continue to do so until he and his entire bunch of pompous assholes are removed from office and influence on the White House, that being Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rasputtin aka. Karl Rove and the Shrub himself.

I am amazed that some people can even attempt to defend the Iraq policy any longer. Once again for those who are dumb enough to not realize it, Bush's Iraq policy is a miserable failure = no WMD's, no stability, no security, no certain political direction for the future, disgusting behavior by Americans in Iraq and the continual death of our young soldiers everyday, FOR WHAT? Defend those points and spare the people hate America bullshit, its not like Bush's foreign policy has done much to better the world's feelings about America, Bush is an International Idiot and a disgrace to this nation. P.S. Read S.L.O.W.L.Y, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Nothing.

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has anyone compared what happened in this prison to what saddam did in his prisons all over?

id say these iraqis can't catch a break eitherway, either your free and getting beat or 'oppressed' and getting beat.

At least now you know there is going to be a closer eye on what goes on in american prisons over there. So it is likely that things like this will not occur as often or be as bad.

which imo is stupid. but that is another story.

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Originally posted by Q5echo your not sufee_b either I've never implied being canadian a reason for being anything this is stupid the thread topic is shite the ITV story is ass sufee_b is a hater and a propagandist get off his nuts

Mmm yes..... whats your point?

If the thread topic doesn't interest you why are you posting in it exactly?

What makes you say the ITV, which you've said you've got no idea about (the agency not the story) is "ass"?

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Poor Q5echo is crying again. Shame on you all for shattering his little world.

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