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MisterOpus1
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
The problem I see is that many times his movies are billed as journalistic documentaries or art house expose's. We all know that the average Joe will not go home and research what he sees on the screen, big or small, and that plays very much to the liking of Mr. Moore. People go to his movies with the idea that they will be shocked, but shocked by the truth, a truth which is hardly reality. I'm not sure what the solution is, since I don't think his movies should be outright banned. I don't know if a disclaimer is needed, or maybe just more truthful marketing, but people need to know that what Mr. Moore is selling is not in fact a piece of journalism, but a piece of propaganda.


Solution: Have Ann Coulter make a movie to even the movie propaganda war.


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Solution: Have Ann Coulter make a movie to even the movie propaganda war.


Liberals have a monopoly on making movies. Damned hollywood communists ...


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The trouble is, since Bowling for Columbine people tend to see Moore more as a political commentator than what he actually is, namely a scruffy, working-class guy who enjoys taking the piss out of white, middle-class America. While many of his criticisms are necessarily political in nature, he's not a Noam Chomsky or a Rush Limbaugh, he's just someone with a sense of humour and a somewhat stilted, yet passionately held view on American culture. I reccomend you go and rent out some of the Awful Truth DVDs - not as political as his recent stuff - and most of the episodes are bloody hilarious (I'm thinking of the one where they get the Republican presidential candidate to jump into a portable mosh-pit in exchange for votes ).

I like Michael Moore, not because I agree with his socialist political outlook (on the contrary - I'd probably disagree with more than 50% of what he says), but because he has a knack for seeing through bullshit and getting up people's noses. So long as it lays mercilessly into Bush, I'm sure I'll like this movie too.


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MisterOpus1
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Crap! Another positive review:

http://www.time.com/time/arts/artic...,638819,00.html


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NeoPhono
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

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Solution: Have Ann Coulter make a movie to even the movie propaganda war.


As long as it's a porno. Ann Coulter is the closest thing to a hot chick that the conservatives have. I can see it now; "Ann does Washington." The Feinstein/Ginsburg/Coulter three-way would be quite interesting...and disturbing.

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razmataz
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well well well, Mr. Moore's film wins the Palm D'Or and it was considered a long shot by many...

Cannes used to be a prestigeous awards ceremony but I feel that in recent years it has been over-commercialized and slowly taken over by Hollywood actors or maybe thats just because thats the only part you get to see in the Anglo-Saxon world.

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NeoPhono
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Unfortunatly in the last several years actors/musicians have taken it upon themselves to use their fame as a soapbox to preach their slanted political views at increased levels. The irony in many of their views is amazing. You have actors that get paid millions per movie talking about the plight of the poor and the evils of the rich. I'd love to see what one of them would do if asked to donate even a fraction of their wealth to any of these causes. The second an actor agrees to work for minimum wage will be the second I even begin to listen to what they have to say about giving to the needy. With that being said, it's cool and trendy to be political in Hollywood, and this "movie" winning comes as no suprise to me. It's more about politics and the statement you can make than the quality of film.

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St_Andrew
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Registered: May 2003
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hehe his newsletter

"Fahrenheit 9/11" Wins Top Prize in Cannes

May 23, 2004



Friends,



Hello from Cannes! Im sure by now many of you have heard the good newsFahrenheit 9/11 has won the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival. It is the first time in nearly 50 years a documentary has won the Palme dOr (the Golden Palm).



Myself and twenty-six members of our crew are here in Cannes and we are in a state of shock. None of us expected this. First came the critics reviews on Monday (The New York Times called it my best film ever), then the audience reaction at our premiere (a 20-minute standing ovation, a new all-time record for the festival), the International Federation of Film Critics Award on Friday, and then the best film prize last night. Its all been an incredible week for us and I cant wait to get back home and show you all this wonderfully powerful film weve made.



No, we still dont have a distributor in America as I write this but after winning the worlds top film prize Id give it about one more day (if that) before we have someone brave enough (and smart enough) to show Americans what the world can already see (Albania, this week, became the final countryother than the U.S.to sign on with a distributor).



I am still hoping for a July release (4th of July weekend?) both in the U.S. and around the world.



I fully expect the right wing and the Republican Party to come at me and this film with everything theyve got. They will try, as they have unsuccessfully in the past, to attack me personally because they cannot win the debate on the issues the film raisesnamely, that they are a pack of liars and the American people are on to them. And, if the early screenings of Fahrenheit 9/11 are any indication, those who see this movie will never view the Bush administration in the same way again. Even if you already cant stomach George W. Bush & Co., I think this movie will take you to places you havent gone before, with laughter and with tears.



I will let you all knowas soon as we have a distributorthe date the film is opening. Until then, check out some of the articles that have been written, and check out the awards ceremony from Cannes.



Thanks everyone for your support.



Yours,

Michael Moore

[email protected]

www.michaelmoore.com



P.S. When you hear the wackos on Fox News and elsewhere refer to this prize as coming from the French, please know that of the nine members of the Festival jury, only ONE was French. Nearly half the jury (four) were Americans and the President of the jury was an American (Quentin Tarantino). But this fact wont stop the OReillys or the Lenos or the Limbaughs from attacking the French and me because, well, thats how their simple minds function.

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razmataz
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I understand why some people dont like Michael Moore's seemingly one-sided arguments but it has to be done that way. In a land where Americans have made the less than balanced O'Riley one of the most influential t.v. personalities around you need a counter-balancing leftist view.

Enter Michael Moore. I say more power to him.

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quote:

H'wood hot for Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
Despite (or because of) controversy, film expected to be hit
Monday, May 24, 2004 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT)


LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- The White House calls the film "outrageously false," but Hollywood is hot for "Fahrenheit 9/11," documentary filmmaker Michael Moore's caustic broadside at President Bush.

A day after the film won the top Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes Film Festival in France, industry observers Sunday predicted the controversial movie would be a box office hit, even if some early reviews have hardly been favorable.

"I think it will be hugely successful," said D.A. Pennebaker, veteran documentary director whose films include the Oscar-nominated 1992 election campaign saga "The War Room," which he made with Chris Hegedus. "It's going to get a lot of publicity, and this country is really in the mood for somebody to tell 'em what they should think, what to do."

In "Fahrenheit 9/11," Moore takes aim at Bush's handling of Iraq and the war on terror and traces links between the Bush family and prominent Saudis including the family of Osama bin Laden. It was greeted with a rapturous standing ovation at its Cannes world premiere, but not everyone was impressed.

Dan Barlett, the White House communications director, was quoted by the New York Times last week as saying of the film "it is so outrageously false, it's not even worth comment."

Also critical was the review in the entertainment industry journal Daily Variety which called the film a "blatant cinematic 2004 campaign pamphlet" and said it "fails to provide any hard facts or make any incriminating connections that a reasonably informed person doesn't already know about."

That may not matter to the fans of the man behind "Roger & Me," and the anti-gun documentary "Bowling for Columbine." Moore, in fact, laid the groundwork for "Fahrenheit 9/11" a year ago when he accepted the Oscar for "Columbine," and launched into a tirade against Bush on worldwide television.

A few weeks ago he was back in the news again, complaining that Walt Disney Co. had prevented its Miramax Films unit from releasing "Fahrenheit 9/11." Disney said it did not want to be associated with a political hot potato in an election year, and noted that Moore had known this for a year.

Miramax co-chairmen Harvey and Bob Weinstein are in the process of buying the movie with their own money and lining up a distributor, which is not expected to be a big problem.

Thanks to Moore's knack for self-promotion, "everybody in America is going to know about this movie, if they don't know about it already," said Michael Silberman, president of distribution at IDP Distribution, which recently released "Super Size Me," a documentary about the perils of fast food.

"Bowling for Columbine" is the most successful documentary in North America with ticket sales of $21.5 million. His new one should at least match that, industry executives say.

"Whether you like Harvey or not, he's a die-hard Democrat and he's going to see to it this film gets exposed. It's going to make a lot of money," said T.C. Rice, president of distribution at New York-based independent studio Manhattan Pictures.

Moore has said he wants "Fahrenheit 9/11" to come out as soon as possible so that it will influence the November presidential election and send Bush back to Texas.

That could be a tall order, according to Kim Serafin, a politically moderate radio talk show host in Los Angeles.

"He'll have lots of applause from the people he's already preaching to, the people that already like him and believe in him and think he's a great filmmaker," she said. "And the people who don't ... they weren't going to see this movie anyway."

On the other hand, the Cannes win has given the film some legitimacy, and the film could bring out Moore-haters if only so that they can "know thy enemy," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box office tracking firm Exhibitor Relations.

"When people are talking about a movie like this, they want to see what all the fuss is about. In an election year it's all the more appealing to people because everybody's in this political mode," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/24/film.moore.reut/index.html


Oh noooooooooosss! I don't have a distributor!!! Coverup!!! Censcorship!!! Secret Bush plot to prevent me from releasing my film!!!! Hey people LOOK AT ME!!!!

Oh well, it's good that the film is coming out soon. It'll liven things up here for a bit.


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St_Andrew
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"Also critical was the review in the entertainment industry journal Daily Variety which called the film a "blatant cinematic 2004 campaign pamphlet" and said it "fails to provide any hard facts or make any incriminating connections that a reasonably informed person doesn't already know about.""

perhaps the film just isn't for the political elite...

"it is so outrageously false, it's not even worth comment." --Dan Barlett, the White House communications director

ehm, have the white house already seen the movie?

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quote:
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... I hesitate to imply any "tone" to his writing, since I got grilled on that in another thread, so I'll let you decide for yourself:


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