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bachatu
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Registered: May 2001
Location: South Florida

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Betafactory:

MyXV-5080 has internal effects and eq. Im thinking hte CSx1 would. Make sure you read over the specs and manual... you can use software eq and effects if you wish. But keep in mind then you start tacking the CPU, and it can indeed be time consuming if you go through the process of exporting things to wave.

DeZmA:

Yeah, its true that you can't mess with the basic wave forms on a module. however, with enough programming knowledge, its possible to reproduce most trance sounds that are used today, using a decent sound module. That is why, like you said, important to know your synth.


Edit: Beta... you replied on the Eq and effects when i had already written the segment above...

Cheers,
Rick

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DeZmA
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I've never ever seen a synth with an internal eq of more than 4 bands. As you can choose the frequency of the gain it should be more than enough for decent eq-ing. If I understand it right you loose the variation effector when choosing eq, in my an1x it's an seperate eq. And no, except for the design they are not simular at anything. I have all my synthesis-related functions assigned at the knobs. (8 buttons x 8 knobs)


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BetaFactory
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Okay, so they only come with a maximum of 4. Well, I guess I need to experiment more with the dB-parameters then (should be the same as you called the gain). And yes, I loose the rest of the effects under the "VARI"-mode, and the other two DSP-effects are "CHORUS" and "REVERB". Distortion is one of the effects I loose if I choose EQ instead.

The motto of this whole thread more and more seems to be that twice mentioned "Know Your Synth". I'll go through the manual thoroughly as soon as I have time. Last time I did it was when my synth was delivered to me, but I apparently didn't read it well enough that time (and with no earlier experience of hardware it's not too hard to understand). I have for sure gone though and tested every single effect sometime, as they all are clearly found from within the menu system. So basically it's not about finding them, it's about learning how to take use of them in the best way.

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Almost all new synthesizers fall into 2 categories. One is VA and the other is sample-rom. Of course there are a few real "analog synthesizers and drum modules, such as the analogue solutions vostox, and the jomox x-se 09. A nord lead 3 is a VA synth. This means Virtual Analog; A virtual duplication of the analog sound process. So instead of being analog inside, everything is digital. The difference with real analog gear is that is has analog components and a digital interface. This is the case with the jomox-xbase 09. The you have the sample based systemed. What they do is simply use the sample, which many cases can be just a sine wave or a square wave. They do not have unlimited sample space of course! So what they do on these sample based systems is use a digital interface to access the sounds and then use digital filters and effects to process the sounds. This is why you can modify the samples. You can extend the sample, ie increase the sustain and release, you can filter the sample. Examples of these are emu units, yamaha ex5, cs series, motif and rs7000, roland jv and xv units, korg trinton units, almost everything is a sample based system.

Some sample units such as my ex5 from yamaha also have va synthesis capabilities. Some do not, such as my Emu Xlead or the rs7000.

The really old analog synths don't even have a digital interface. The modular systems, for instance the analogue solutions vostox is one such unit. The arp 2600 is a rather famous unit. The roland tb-303 is a analog unit with digital interface. Other units like this include new items from studio electronics or the paia fatman.

When you talk about the Xv having waveforms, yes it does. Those are sampled waveforms though. It is not a VA synth, such as the korg ms2000 which actually has emulated analog oscillators produced digitally. That is technically what a VA synth is. Since it has no analog hardware it must digitally emulate the oscillators.

The thing is lots of Digital Sample based systems have similar features to the VA synths and some features cross bleed into eat other. They're both LFO's in VA and Sample Based systems. Same with filters and effects. The only real difference is VA synths have the emulated oscillators, while the sample based systems use samples. Period end of story.

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BetaFactory
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Thank you for sharing that interesting piece of information Flashback!

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Well, I just had to show off that I actually know something!

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DeZmA
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those are indeed the most common forms
Another popular one is fm synthesis (started with the yamaha dx series) Cool for bells, elec piano and efx. (and they still make these synths and implement it at va's)
Others are physical modeling, granular and wavetable synthesis.


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Is not physical modeling just another form of Virtual Analog? That is always what I was under the assumption of.

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