I am a skeptic and prone to my own being jaded, I will have to admit. But there comes times when I remember what made me so excited about technological music in the first place, so . . .

I can't help but feel hopeful for Electronic Dance Music around the world!

Thank you...


P.S. I hope Swamper does not do that foreseeably, and that TA will live on for many years to come.

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Originally posted by Radagast An observation: -Snobs on the internet who try to make themselves seem smart by overanalyzing and falsely diagnosing, thereby defeating their purpose, what everyone else on the internet says.

and the people who comment on them, thereby becoming just as bad

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Digital Aura, HELLO! That is what I would hope for sometimes -- as I said myself:

-life is full of contradictions, and you can embrace them. talk is cheap, yet open discussion in a friendly environment is of paramount importance -- which is why we have TA and i'm thankful for that.

So, as you can see, I have thought this part out quite prudently! I'm not the only trance philosopher (or psychohistorian -- LOL, sorry, couldn't resist dropping that one in) on here by any means -- some VERY knowledgeable heavyweights on these forums I look up to, and I'm sure you know who at least some of them are. As for a book, that's not a bad idea. However, the trance story is far from finished and ah... I'd like to see what happens in the next few years first.

Also, you left me a comment in my other thread! I wanted to ask you for an explanation for why you wished you had Asperger's Syndrome as you stated, and you have not explained yet So please feel free to, you are most welcome!

Take care, and I like your nickname, "Digital Aura". Is there a story behind it?

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Originally posted by aspergian Digital Aura, HELLO! That is what I would hope for sometimes -- as I said myself: -life is full of contradictions, and you can embrace them. talk is cheap, yet open discussion in a friendly environment is of paramount importance -- which is why we have TA and i'm thankful for that. So, as you can see, I have thought this part out quite prudently! I'm not the only trance philosopher (or psychohistorian -- LOL, sorry, couldn't resist dropping that one in) on here by any means -- some VERY knowledgeable heavyweights on these forums I look up to, and I'm sure you know who at least some of them are. As for a book, that's not a bad idea. However, the trance story is far from finished and ah... I'd like to see what happens in the next few years first. Also, you left me a comment in my other thread! I wanted to ask you for an explanation for why you wished you had Asperger's Syndrome as you stated, and you have not explained yet So please feel free to, you are most welcome! Take care, and I like your nickname, "Digital Aura". Is there a story behind it?

ASPERGIAN, SALUT!!

Fella...you sure post a LOT! in two months you've got 496 posts!! WOW...pretty active. Anyhow...at least your contributing. The reason I wished for that syndrome is because, no offense please, it seemed to be exploited by you rather well. I mean...sure...an excuse to be "different". A scapegoat...who doesnt want one? And a disorder (if it actually is--PFFT like Attention Deficit if you ask me) that can IMPROVE your creativity?? THATS WHY.
Seriously though...this is just an opinion. I dug your song and have nothing against you whatsoever.

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Good luck with your campaign though..!

Later dude!

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Mmmmmm... thanks for explaining, Digital Aura. And bonjour to you.

Ahhh... I should explain further. Please pardon me for the following wordy explanation: I do not wish to be a scapegoat.. I stated it earlier as such re: Asperger's Syndrome simply because I believe there is a sensible explanation for why I am the way I am. I would have to say it's hard to understand what one is going through unless one is really going through it. In events like a romantic relationship breakup -- the pain is non-transferrable. A friend can be there for you, but the friend cannot experience the pain the same way you do, which is very real. In a similar way, I see things in weird ways. Everyone is a unique individual, but there was always something about me that was difficult to explain -- that I, in fact, could not explain -- until I heard about Asperger's & learned more along the way from there.

It helps, even if it is just to let to people know that it's not because I'm deliberately wanting to get on anyone's nerves, but I have good intentions and although I may type kind of funny and some of my views are just plain weird (but they feel so natural to me), it comes from a good heart & mind and I love Electronic Dance Music. It can be hard to get that across on a message board and I dislike miscommunication as I wish to be friendly, but message boards like TA are handy for connecting people all over the world.

I am a skeptic, against forms of quackery -- I am a fan of Penn & Teller and James Randi. But I do believe the human brain is still very much unexplored and "AS" will do as a placeholder for now. I DO agree with you strongly that there are many cases of ADHD that are all hyped-up and made hysterial about when the kids in fact have had an unhealthy diet. However I am not a medical professonal, and ...

I have lived many years of my life in frustration, wondering why my sudden blurtations about trance music, neon colors, figure skater Sasha Cohen (LOL), etc. in the middle of lunch would get me into trouble. I knew it was an obsession; but there were other personality aspects to me that soon became readily apparent. Such as my bad comprehension of some sorts of humor, and my inability to grasp emotions sometimes. My repetition of certain actions (time becomes a loop), the way I make eye contact, the way I walk, and soforth and soforth all fit the current diagnostic criteria -- or HAD fit, before I adapted (like the Borg! j/k) and improve and continue to do so. I have thought about this for several years, beginning in about 2000 A.D. Maybe it's just "me" being "me" for the sake of "me". But the search is ongoing, just like my observations as to the future of trance music. So they run parallel courses. As in trance music, I welcome the acquisition and discussion of knowledge and am very open to what the future holds for all of us. No doubt we will look back nostalgically on our own "Golden Age", but the music is such an important part of people's lives!!

In the end, I guess it's pretty simple. I like to see people being nice to one another and sharing their love for trance music on here. Yeah, it *can be a dream, but I'm hopeful

Anyway, like you said, back to the trance.

Thank you for letting me know, I am really cool with that!

L8r

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Last edited by Torley Wong on May-24-2004 at 18:23

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Originally posted by aspergian I am a skeptic, against forms of quackery -- I am a fan of Penn & Teller and James Randi. But I do believe the human brain is still very much unexplored and "AS" will do as a placeholder for now. I DO agree with you strongly that there are many cases of ADHD that are all hyped-up and made hysterial about when the kids in fact have had an unhealthy diet. However I am not a medical professonal, and ...

Unexplored how? Anything in particular?

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Originally posted by aspergian I have lived many years of my life in frustration, wondering why my sudden blurtations about trance music, neon colors, figure skater Sasha Cohen (LOL), etc. in the middle of lunch would get me into trouble. I knew it was an obsession; but there were other personality aspects to me that soon became readily apparent. Such as my bad comprehension of some sorts of humor, and my inability to grasp emotions sometimes. My repetition of certain actions (time becomes a loop), the way I make eye contact, the way I walk, and soforth and soforth all fit the current diagnostic criteria -- or HAD fit, before I adapted (like the Borg! j/k) and improve and continue to do so. I have thought about this for several years, beginning in about 2000 A.D. Maybe it's just "me" being "me" for the sake of "me". But the search is ongoing, just like my observations as to the future of trance music. So they run parallel courses. As in trance music, I welcome the acquisition and discussion of knowledge and am very open to what the future holds for all of us. No doubt we will look back nostalgically on our own "Golden Age", but the music is such an important part of people's lives!!

Why do you classify it as Asperger's rather than full-blown autism? They are merely different degrees of the same thing, no? Just curious.

Flyboy217: A good question. The brain is insanely complex, and the field of neurobiology is OT to this forum so please pardon me for this, but we don't yet have a thorough understanding of these areas:

-how much of the brain is actually used. (There are often percentages sent through those email forwards, but they are dubious.)
-how does it process information, really?
-causes of brain tumors and certain types of neural degeneration?
-what makes up sense of humor?
-effects of drugs on the brain? (We know some about, say, ecstasy, but what we don't know is still a vast sea...)
-the brain's continued evolution and adaptability in an era of noise pollution, sensory overload, and unhealthy living?
-effects of cell phones and other frequency-generators on the brain? (Still hotly debated)
-neurodiversity -- there are different body types, so why not different brain types as well?
-etc. etc. etc.

There are many questions still unanswered, and research continues. The questions aren't easy, and neither are the answers. And as much as we think we know now, it will all look puny in hindsight. I figure once we master "neurospace", we can then start building Terminators. Just kidding

As for your second question, which is also a fine question -- autism is a spectrum, with many colors, and Asperger's is considered a "mild" form. "Mild" being relative, as I can only speak for myself and I did not find some things about my life to ever be mild. So you are right in that maybe they are both parts of a whole like the many styles of trance are part of a bigger umbrella, but they do exhibit distinguished differences specific to an individual's behavior. There is some good info here:

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Autism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger's_syndrome

And for further specific AS discussion, I recommend Aspergia forum as to not impose further on TranceAddict:

http://www.aspergia.com/wforum/

In the end, we are all human beings, and I value diversity and always hope to learn something from someone else's experiences as she or he chooses to share them. When many different people from all walks of life can come here and share their love of music, that is a beautiful, lovely thing.

Hope this helps.

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I can say one thing...I think your approach to Aspergers Syndrome is the right approach...

You have embraced it...and as I meant to convey in the last post, you have figured out how to use it for good (I shouldn't have said "exploit it" as the term has negative connotations which weren't intended.)

Everyone wants to be "different". Heck, it's fashionable to "conform to being different"...what a paradox...but its true. Everyone wants to be the same (in that they want to be different.

As far as the "exploration of the brain" or the mind, while we may have a long way to go, I believe its over-examination has undoubtedly lead many scientists, doctors, psychologists, etc down the rosey garden path... so many "theoretical" disorders and unproven conditions have people believing without taking time to actually use their own brain and deductive reasoning. Why do we take most of their theories as truth?
For example, in Russia it's common for babies to be assessed by over 8 different specialists : psycho-analysts right down to podiatrists all give their 2 cents worth and file a report on the children. By the time the child is 6 months old they have more problems diagnosed than a dead person! (I know this because I adopted a young baby recently). Did you know that doctors like to come up with problems that have never been heard of? Luckily we had a Canadian doctor come with us to assess our son as well....and the doctor found NOTHING wrong. NOT ONE THING (while the medical reports claimed he was retarded, had weak legs, and an underdeveloped right ventricule!)

All this to say, DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR
Take some time and use your mind...half the problems in the world are only in the minds of those who conjure them.
Just my opinion. Thanks Asperg!

Peace!

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