Mark T you really do live in La La Land dont you? LOL

id love to see a club the size of guv, the docks or even system institute an in and out policy.... even better still is where all those smokers would stand to smoke since they cant block the sidewalk.... what mayhem that would be.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Mark T you really do live in La La Land dont you? LOL id love to see a club the size of guv, the docks or even system institute an in and out policy.... even better still is where all those smokers would stand to smoke since they cant block the sidewalk.... what mayhem that would be.

are you kidding me? Guv has to be the best equipped club in the whole freakin' city to deal with this new bylaw

They have a patio, a rooftop patio, countless other rooms that they could have designated as smoking rooms, and even if/when DSR's are banned too, they can fence off a section of the parking lot (like the already do) and use that as a confined in/out area. Guv isn't giving this a 2nd thought, I'm sure, LMFAO!

System...back room, ventilate it. Docks, ditto...they have TONS of space. Clubs will be inconvenienced, but to suggest that business will suffer to any great, lasting extent is an entirely different (and bullshit) argument

Im thinking ahead to when they ban DSRs and smoking on patios in 2 years like what the health dept is trying to get city council to do.

Then what???

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Originally posted by MarkT nah, they won't confiscate them (I assume?), becaue you'll be allowed to smoke on the patio and stuff like that... I'd say most clubs won't have TOO much of an issue developing an in/out policy for smokers...there are far more pubs and restaurants affected by the ban than clubs...although people tend to spend more time in a club than in a pub, for example. either way...businesses are not going to suffer that much.

I dont think businesses will suffer that much until maybe the first spell of cold weather, and even then eventually people will just go, I guess everyone will just have to cope with it. As for the in/out policy at clubs, I highly doubt it will be that easy for every club to implement that into their system. Not every club is facilitated for easy access to outside unless its through their main front doors, and like most clubs are chaotic enough as is. Or you could find alternate exits but you dont want your customers wandering about the clubs in backways and sidedoors. This means you will have to hire people to watch these passage ways and entrances and also close them off to the public, which is way more hassle than to just say, either smoke outside or club inside, take your pick.

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Originally posted by MarkT are you kidding me? Guv has to be the best equipped club in the whole freakin' city to deal with this new bylaw They have a patio, a rooftop patio, countless other rooms that they could have designated as smoking rooms, and even if/when DSR's are banned too, they can fence off a section of the parking lot (like the already do) and use that as a confined in/out area. Guv isn't giving this a 2nd thought, I'm sure, LMFAO! System...back room, ventilate it. Docks, ditto...they have TONS of space. Clubs will be inconvenienced, but to suggest that business will suffer to any great, lasting extent is an entirely different (and bullshit) argument

No smoking rooms? From what I was told, it was clearly cut and dry, no smoking inside clubs, and bars, any area that is enclosed. No matter what ventilation systems you have.

have faith guys...when money is involved, it's amazing what solutions businesses will come up with to ensure they survive and do well

As I said, I don't support banning smoking on patios or banning ventilated smoking areas...I truly hope they leave those alone.

cold weather, bah...smokers already have go outside while at work, now they'll go outside at clubs/bars too. I occasionally go to one place that's been non-smoking for 3+ years now...packed every saturday night, summer and winter, and it's nothing special in terms of the place.

Inconvenient? yes. Businesses grossly suffering? I highly doubt it.

Business will suffer?? How so?? Where else will clubbers go ? LOL

Or are you just gonna stay home watch TV simply because you can't smoke in a club.. Clubs might suffer for first month or so. Then the business will pick up !

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Originally posted by MarkT have faith guys...when money is involved, it's amazing what solutions businesses will come up with to ensure they survive and do well As I said, I don't support banning smoking on patios or banning ventilated smoking areas...I truly hope they leave those alone. cold weather, bah...smokers already have go outside while at work, now they'll go outside at clubs/bars too. I occasionally go to one place that's been non-smoking for 3+ years now...packed every saturday night, summer and winter, and it's nothing special in terms of the place. Inconvenient? yes. Businesses grossly suffering? I highly doubt it.

One cant put a workplace enviroment alongside a club environemnt, cause a. You have little clothes on, as you cannot just pick up your jacket from coatcheck then put it back after your done. (atleast not without paying) b. most people are sweaty and hot from inside a club, imagine going outside for a smoke in -30 weather? that aint gonna happen without you getting sick. c. work environment is different because you spend 30+ hours inside there, and smoking is not an option for all those hours, as opposed to a few hours at a club that you spend on night a week. I dont use the workplace non smoking laws as some sort of safeguard towards how clubbers will have to deal with the situation. The two are totally different things, not that business is gonna end as we know it, but I think there will be an affect within the first few weeks of this ban, especially when the cold spell its Toronto too. If anything it will only affect it for a few weeks at best, but eventually people will come around.

^^^ fair enough...the workplace is different from a club...most people (I say most, lol) spend less time at a club on any given night then they do at work on any given day. well...then this issue shouldn't be that big a deal huh?

The few people that won't go out because they can't handle the cold for the few minutes it takes to get their fix won't be missed in the overal attendance, I'll suggest.

like I said...I've witnessed it elswhere where it's been non-smoking for 3+ years...people simply smoke less...and those that MUST smoke just go outside, get their puffs in and go back in. It hasn't crippled this club, it likely won't cripple any other club or bar either.

I'm waiting for the innovative ideas clubs come up with that will also mitigate having to deal with so many in-outs...like higher cover to get an in-out wristband. Tack on even 2 bucks to anyone that wants one. If you smoke, $2 is nothing compared to what you spend on cigarettes, I'm sure. That should more than pay for 1 or 2 staff members to monitor in-out priveledges for the night, hahaha. BOOYAH! I just turned the ban in to a revenue *generator* for places like Guv

I am sure your marketing genius will be the staple solution for all club owners.

You know what im going to do with that wristband, im going to choke you with it!

Actually back when the first smoking ban was introduced to bars and restaurants, there was a dip in the business for a month or so, I couldnt imagine this being any less so. Even then, who wants to party with people who dont smoke? they suck anyways :P nah nah na nah nah!

Im interested to see what extent they will go to enforce this new law. The idea of going to a club and not having to enhale 100 packs worth of second hand smoke is something i really look forward to experiencing. I hate coming home smelling like smoke. I hate coming home with burn holes in my shirts.

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Originally posted by Rodrico I am sure your marketing genius will be the staple solution for all club owners. You know what im going to do with that wristband, im going to choke you with it! Actually back when the first smoking ban was introduced to bars and restaurants, there was a dip in the business for a month or so, I couldnt imagine this being any less so. Even then, who wants to party with people who dont smoke? they suck anyways :P nah nah na nah nah!

I smoke...I just don't waste my time on *wussy* cigarettes

If all of you angry smokers would just smoke a j instead, the world would be a better place