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St_Andrew
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Registered: May 2003
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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I'm all for criticism where it's due, but NewsMax is kinda takin' this whole thing to a new level: censorship.

http://www.moveamericaforward.org/NewsMax/


that is just so sick =/

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igottaknow
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Who would have thought right-wing conservatives were so opposed to polical slanted entertainment *cough* Rush Limbaugh pot meets kettle


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MisterOpus1
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Originally posted by igottaknow
Who would have thought right-wing conservatives were so opposed to polical slanted entertainment *cough* Rush Limbaugh pot meets kettle


Hey, enough picking on this highly moral, prescription-pill popping, 3-time divorcee (just recent)! He takes to much higher ground than Moore will ever attain!


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Dervish
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^^^ yeah and did you read his "overview" of the troubles in Ireland? The way he totally oversimplifed it and twisted it nearly made me just stop reading it.


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St_Andrew
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Originally posted by mixinmusic
Michael Moore is quite simply one big hypocrite. I was reading his book Stupid white men and I came to the third chapter "kill whitey". Now I dont give a shit personally what he has said but this whole chapter is just one racist attack after another on white people. The comedy aspect was bollox and Michael Moore is simply shit stirring. Im not fond of liberals to begin with but this book is simply one pile of shit and im sure his other publications wouldnt be any different. I wonder what would happen if in todays society someone wrote a chapter "kill blacky" or "Kill Arab"? You nd I know exactly what would happen but the fact remains MM has no right to attack a whole race of people and encourage discrimination. Left wingers fought all their lives for equal rights in the past, today they fight for minority rights and no one elses and actively encourage positive discrimination. That makes me so angry.


you didn't understand the irony in that whole chapter?

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Dervish
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That whole chapter is filled with his bullshit dressed up as fact. Yes it was mildly amusing at the start then he just states stuff as fact which just isn't true. Like he always does.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong he has a message but he puts it across in a pretty clumsy way (in terms of mixing fact and opinon)


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St_Andrew
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Originally posted by Dervish
That whole chapter is filled with his bullshit dressed up as fact. Yes it was mildly amusing at the start then he just states stuff as fact which just isn't true. Like he always does.


hmm it was a year ago i read the book, but that chapter was as far as i remember it just a ironic written chapter to prove how pathetic racism is, and using the same logic, you would also be scared of all white men. i thought it was pretty brilliant at the time.

quote:
EDIT: Don't get me wrong he has a message but he puts it across in a pretty clumsy way (in terms of mixing fact and opinon)


true.

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igottaknow
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Originally posted by Dervish
^^^ yeah and did you read his "overview" of the troubles in Ireland? The way he totally oversimplifed it and twisted it nearly made me just stop reading it.

I don't think MM pretends to be a historian, doling out in depth analysis. I guess if you just want to read facts without any entertainment value then pick up a history book. I recommend Alexis de Tocqueville, you can't go wrong.


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trancaholic
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Originally posted by trintiy
"When everyone was saying that any person who criticized America at a time of war would be shunned and boycotted and ignored and vilified, the sales of my books and movies went through the roof."

Gee Michael, I'm so glad our nation's tragedies are so good for your career. Did you give any of that profit to the families of the kids who were killed at Columbine? Will you be donating money to 9-11 memorials or families?


This is an excellent example of a character attack on Moore. The quote is taken (totally out of context) from a text he wrote to encourage others with negative views of the Bush administration to step forward. At the time the media and the Internet were saturated with the "I support my commander in chief - if you do not, you're against us"-rhetoric, and Moore was trying to disspell the impression that if you spoke out you would be going down...fast.
As a side note: In the same text he tells of the Dixie Chicks gaining in popularity after they started criticising Bush - do you think that he was trying to strut their success as well?

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Dervish
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quote:
The quote is taken (totally out of context)


Yeah MM would never do the same himself would he?


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ResonantDrag
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quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I'm all for criticism where it's due, but NewsMax is kinda takin' this whole thing to a new level: censorship.

http://www.moveamericaforward.org/NewsMax/


quote:
During the presidential primaries, Michael Moore referred to George W. Bush as, among other things, a "deserter.”


how dare he... errr.. ummm.. yeah, he can't be a deserter. errr... ummm... don't you actually have to appear for active duty to be a deserter? this is just another case of Moore bending the facts to make the President look bad.

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MisterOpus1
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Originally posted by ResonantDrag
how dare he... errr.. ummm.. yeah, he can't be a deserter. errr... ummm... don't you actually have to appear for active duty to be a deserter? this is just another case of Moore bending the facts to make the President look bad.


I'm a little confused by your statement. Are you submitting that the President was or wasn't a deserter, based on his active duty appearances?

Either way, there is a period of unaccountability for Bush in the Air Guard, and he has yet to submit conclusive evidence that he was present during that window of time. He did also refuse a medical exam, which ultimately led to his dismissal.

And our President needs little help from Moore bending facts (which of course he is guilty of at times) - Bush does just fine looking quite bad all on his own.


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