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Originally posted by Veverka And ppl that doesn't hear the difference in sound quality between tracks released with reason and recent tracks made by ppl like Junkie XL, Tiësto and Ferry Corsten (all having a real high-end studio) are either deaf or monitoring on some sucky hifi set (and even on sucky hifi sets I hear difference).

If you can hear it you hear very well, Do you hear it in Fictivision vs C-quence - Symbols, Fictivision vs Phynn - Escape (both remixes), Envio - Touched by the Sun and many many other tracks these days?

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Originally posted by Veverka Really? Please show me the 32 bits floating point processing, good effects, above average sequencer, external MIDI support, notation function and most important: VSTi and VST fx plugins host. Guess I overlooked some things.

i meant you can get the same sounds with reason just like any other

program....the export sucks but as i worte before...you can always

rewire and export it in cubase and it will sound much better!

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If you can hear it you hear very well, Do you hear it in Fictivision vs C-quence - Symbols, Fictivision vs Phynn - Escape (both remixes), Envio - Touched by the Sun and many many other tracks these days?

I know those songs, but did you hear Junkie XL's ablum "Broadcast from the computer hell cabine" or Sasha's "Airdrawndagger" (both produced in Junkie XL's high end studio)? Hell of a lot difference when it comes to detail, definition, dynamics and overall sound quality.

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i meant you can get the same sounds with reason just like any other program....the export sucks but as i worte before...you can always rewire and export it in cubase and it will sound much better!

Ok, but then again, if you rewire to Cubase, what's the point of using reason at all? You can load VSTi's into Cubase that make the substractor/mallstrom sound like "my first sony" tape recorder or fx VST's that blow reason's fx totally out of the window. (well, that's a bit exaggerated, reason isn't thát bad, but you get my point).

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Originally posted by Veverka I know those songs, but did you hear Junkie XL's ablum "Broadcast from the computer hell cabine" or Sasha's "Airdrawndagger" (both produced in Junkie XL's high end studio)? Hell of a lot difference when it comes to detail, definition, dynamics and overall sound quality. Ok, but then again, if you rewire to Cubase, what's the point of using reason at all? You can load VSTi's into Cubase that make the substractor/mallstrom sound like "my first sony" tape recorder or fx VST's that blow reason's fx totally out of the window. (well, that's a bit exaggerated, reason isn't thát bad, but you get my point).

o.k got your point but some people just love reason! i can't explain

i work with logic and i love it but i know some people that think

that reason is a god! its a personal taste so if someone loves

it and make good production of it he should continue and he can

solve the export problem with cubase and another thing is that reason

with cubase its a bomb!

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Originally posted by Veverka I know those songs, but did you hear Junkie XL's ablum "Broadcast from the computer hell cabine" or Sasha's "Airdrawndagger" (both produced in Junkie XL's high end studio)? Hell of a lot difference when it comes to detail, definition, dynamics and overall sound quality. Ok, but then again, if you rewire to Cubase, what's the point of using reason at all? You can load VSTi's into Cubase that make the substractor/mallstrom sound like "my first sony" tape recorder or fx VST's that blow reason's fx totally out of the window. (well, that's a bit exaggerated, reason isn't thát bad, but you get my point).

I think it's idiotic to compare anyone's works to someone who has been a music professional for decades and is highly gifted nevertheless.

When you're listening to these tracks at a club you won't notice any difference. If the little difference in home listening bothers you so much then you really need to seek help because it really shouldn't be that much of an issue. People made rock music in the sixties that's still far superior to any of the shit these manufactured rock bands do today even if the sound quality is considerably worse.

It's the music that matters, not the fucking bitrate or perfect sound balance (to a certain point, of course).

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery When you're listening to these tracks at a club you won't notice any difference. If the little difference in home listening bothers you so much then you really need to seek help because it really shouldn't be that much of an issue. People made rock music in the sixties that's still far superior to any of the shit these manufactured rock bands do today even if the sound quality is considerably worse. It's the music that matters, not the fucking bitrate or perfect sound balance (to a certain point, of course).

Definatley.

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How bout some facts.
Liam Howlett used Reason to sketch out the tunes, and then moved over to Pro Tools for finishing off.

And this elitist crap of bashing Reason. I say tunes or STFU.
Have you ever tried it for more than 20 minutes ?
Just take Reason's workflow, and on-the-fly editing of everything in the sequencer, is far superior to the Cubase SX shite editing/workflow.

There are barely hearable sonic issues with Reason at 44,1...above that, nothing, no, nada.

Liam praises Reason, made him want to make music again, i and many many others likes and use it, so where all this "its bad cuz its Reason-made" comes from, ill never know. Well, i do know.

Cheers.

I never said reason is bad, it's very much bang for the bucks. I just laugh at people who think it can compete with studios that cost more than their parent's house. And the only argument they come up with is that there are reason-made songs being released, as if being released defines absolute quality. If I play some piano piece on a Steinway and record it into Pro Tools, it will sound better than anything you'll ever get out of reason, however, it will never get a release.

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Just take Reason's workflow, and on-the-fly editing of everything in the sequencer, is far superior to the Cubase SX shite editing/workflow.

That's a matter of personal taste, I like Cubase's sequencer much more.

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I think it's idiotic to compare anyone's works to someone who has been a music professional for decades and is highly gifted nevertheless. When you're listening to these tracks at a club you won't notice any difference. If the little difference in home listening bothers you so much then you really need to seek help because it really shouldn't be that much of an issue. People made rock music in the sixties that's still far superior to any of the shit these manufactured rock bands do today even if the sound quality is considerably worse. It's the music that matters, not the fucking bitrate or perfect sound balance (to a certain point, of course).

When it comes to clubs, you're right. But on every above average hifi set, the difference is quite obvious. And I think a producer isn't a real good producer if he doesn't want his music to sound sublime.

hey varaka

check out
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=188955

this tune i made in reason, and exported it through reason, used only reason synths and samples for the beats and stuff, eqed in reason, only thing i did was outside reason was compressing the whole mix with soundforge

Am not the greatest producer here , but am sorry this sound that reason generates pleases me alot, and skilled producers can make awesome tunes with it.

I heard so many tunes that are made with reason, that are far better than some of tiesto's or armin's stuff for example.

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Originally posted by Drazzic If you can hear it you hear very well, Do you hear it in Fictivision vs C-quence - Symbols,

Funny you mention this actually, I played this tune at a really nice afterhours here in MTL with a 100k+ sound system, and I was surprised at how badly Symbols sounded. Playing it at my old clubnight in Vancouver it sounded fine, but the expensive sound system definitely seperated the men from the boys =P I played the JXL remix of dirty sticky floors in the same set, and it sounded freaking awesome.

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Massive, please quote the part where I said it's impossible to make above-average songs with reason.

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I heard so many tunes that are made with reason, that are far better than some of tiesto's or armin's stuff for example.

When it comes to composition, I'm sure you're right, when it comes to absolute sound quality: no way (or you must be talking about their old stuff). Anyway, I don't consider Tiësto's and Armin's music as being far superior (although love comes again is a really tight production which I won't see come out of reason).

Sean Walsh gave a nice example of my point. Why do you guys think the real big guys aren't using reason as their core system? Because they're very conservative and they don't know shit about music producing, or because there're far superior solutions when you don't care about the price?