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imokruok
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It's interesting that the Supreme Court chose to release its decision on Flag Day. Perhaps a hint to future litigants...


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Belgian Bonzai
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Ok, guys, a collective WTF on a Belgian forum on this one, but someone replied that before the beginning of a movie in a movie theatre, the national anthem is played. Can you guys verify (if so, how widespread is this) or discard this, plz?

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St_Andrew
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Registered: May 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by DjSway
I guess freedom can be good and bad. Sometimes I think the US has too much freedom.


how is that bad?

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MisterOpus1
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quote:
Originally posted by DjSway
I guess freedom can be good and bad. Sometimes I think the US has too much freedom.


I'll bite - can you elaborate?


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NeoPhono
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quote:
Originally posted by Belgian Bonzai
Ok, guys, a collective WTF on a Belgian forum on this one, but someone replied that before the beginning of a movie in a movie theatre, the national anthem is played. Can you guys verify (if so, how widespread is this) or discard this, plz?



In the US? Not quite. The most "patriotic" thing I've seen before a movie in a theater is a US Army commercial (man, I hate advertisements before movies, you pay $8.50 to watch commercials).

I'd also like to add, that as said before, saying the pledge of allegience is optional. Yes, you have to stand up, but no public school can force a kid to say it. I think it's done much more regularly in primary schools as a teaching aid then as any attempt to brainwash. As long as it's optional, I don't really care (to some extent) what others around a kid are saying, as long as he has the right not to.

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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Belgian Bonzai
Ok, guys, a collective WTF on a Belgian forum on this one, but someone replied that before the beginning of a movie in a movie theatre, the national anthem is played. Can you guys verify (if so, how widespread is this) or discard this, plz?


Umm, no - that's a strange rumor indeed. Evidently someone there is attempting to paint us into that all-too-strange ultra-nationalist corner.


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Belgian Bonzai
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THX 4 clearing that one up, guys.

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LiquidX
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Whatever. This country was funded with that in mind, therefore I think it should stay. It deferintiates with laws that affects everyone, to a phrase that reminds the history of the United States, and ancestors.


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DjSway
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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I'll bite - can you elaborate?

Ok well this isn't going to be some factual essay just my opinion. Fer example In this case, someone can argue about the pledge which is his right to freedom of choice, however, it is at the same time attacking a U.S. custom that has been around for the last two centuries. Many people have fought and died to uphold this statement.
I guess you can call it national pride.
Does this make sense?

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NYCTrancefan
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quote:
Originally posted by Belgian Bonzai
Ok, guys, a collective WTF on a Belgian forum on this one, but someone replied that before the beginning of a movie in a movie theatre, the national anthem is played. Can you guys verify (if so, how widespread is this) or discard this, plz?


Geez the limits to which people will spread rumors about Americans knows no bounds, I hope you highlighted the clear idiocracy of the suggestion of such a thing to the Belgian forum, or direct them here for some much needed clarification, clearly the individual has never been to the movies in America or knows anything about it. Ridiculous doesn't even begin to describe such a notion, truly foolish.


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St_Andrew
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quote:
Originally posted by DjSway
Ok well this isn't going to be some factual essay just my opinion. Fer example In this case, someone can argue about the pledge which is his right to freedom of choice, however, it is at the same time attacking a U.S. custom that has been around for the last two centuries. Many people have fought and died to uphold this statement.
I guess you can call it national pride.
Does this make sense?



so if a lot of people have died for something, you should not have the right to criticize it? if something is imprinted in peoples minds as good, you should not criticize it?

i can somehow understand what you mean (if i understood you correctly...), but it still doesn't make any sense.

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DjSway
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quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
so if a lot of people have died for something, you should not have the right to criticize it? if something is imprinted in peoples minds as good, you should not criticize it?

i can somehow understand what you mean (if i understood you correctly...), but it still doesn't make any sense.


It's not "the right to critize it", this is about having the freedom to argue about something that is part of the US history. Where do you cross the line between freedom and customs? I know the government (in most cases) try to seperate itself from religion. For example, here in a LA, there was this case about removing the cross from the LA city's emblem. Which resulted in the removal of that cross symbol. Anyways, in this case, I know the word "God" is a strong religious statment, however, I do interprete it has "any" God. To some, this means one God only.
I still think that since this pledge is not forced upon students, at least by law, it shouldn't be changed. If people think that this is brain washing, then I pitty the fool who is easily brainwashed.

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