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Originally posted by ResonantDrag yes, and what about the president being warned by our own CIA about 9/11?

What about it? This pertains to Iraq how?

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oops, has that already been swept under the rug? sorry. won't bring it up again

By all means please do - I personally need some clarification as to where you are going with this.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Keep in mind that Putin admits that this did not change his stance whatsoever on being against the war. I think more will come to light on this in the coming days. I personally predict that we'll see these "planned terror attacks" by Iraq were likely nothing more than veiled threats - but hey, that's just my partisan bias talkin'.

Partisan, maybe. But at least you come to decent enough conclusions.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 What about it? This pertains to Iraq how? By all means please do - I personally need some clarification as to where you are going with this.

i apologize for the vagueness pertaining to the subject of this reference. I was inferring that the present administration could help justify the attack of Iraq based on Russian intellegence reports, whereas when confronted by (of course suppositional based on allegations) our own intellegence, choose to ignore a true threat.

I wasn't trying to reference an Iraq/Al-Qaeda connection on 9/11; as to my knowledge, none exists.

In my sweeping under the carpet comment, I was just a little miffed that the focus of the commission has shifted to an Iraq/Al-Qaeda connection vs. the subject in which i thought the commission was supposed to tackle (the mishandling of intellegence previous to 9/11)

please correct me if i'm wrong, but most of the uproar regarding the closed door hearing with cheaney and the boy were made by families of the victims of the world trade center who wanted to know Cheaney's responses to intellegence allegations.

I'll try to be a little more long-winded with my posts from here on out to avoid further misconceptions of my comments

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag i apologize for the vagueness pertaining to the subject of this reference. I was inferring that the present administration could help justify the attack of Iraq based on Russian intellegence reports, whereas when confronted by (of course suppositional based on allegations) our own intellegence, choose to ignore a true threat.

maybe he learned his lesson

if you remember prior to 9/11 bush had run under the campaign of not going out on nation building. I am glad that after 9/11 he came around to realize that he was wrong and indeed it is nessacry in order to prevent catastrophies and help stabalize the world. where-as before he would brush off outside threats on the US now he takes every intellegnce threat more seriously.

it is a shame that people in the middle east do not realize the better life they could have after the US has helped rebuild their nation to a free and prosperious one.

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag i apologize for the vagueness pertaining to the subject of this reference. I was inferring that the present administration could help justify the attack of Iraq based on Russian intellegence reports, whereas when confronted by (of course suppositional based on allegations) our own intellegence, choose to ignore a true threat.

No apology necessary. Thank you for your clarification. It truly gets my nipples hard when you assume the role of an erudite debater. My compliments, dear sir.

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I wasn't trying to reference an Iraq/Al-Qaeda connection on 9/11; as to my knowledge, none exists.

Gotcha.

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In my sweeping under the carpet comment, I was just a little miffed that the focus of the commission has shifted to an Iraq/Al-Qaeda connection vs. the subject in which i thought the commission was supposed to tackle (the mishandling of intellegence previous to 9/11)

I tend to agree, though I'm sure there is a sound reason why the 9/11 Commission investigated this link. I surmise it is because they were told to examine this, along with some other various prior intelligence issues, but admittedly I'm uncertain. Perhaps someone could intervene here to enlighten us as to the specific roles the 9/11 Commission was given in regards to intelligence.

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please correct me if i'm wrong, but most of the uproar regarding the closed door hearing with cheaney and the boy were made by families of the victims of the world trade center who wanted to know Cheaney's responses to intellegence allegations.

Ok, I'm afraid that I am again going to ask for clarification. Who is "the boy", and what closed door hearing are you referring to? I swear I am not playing dumb - I simply do not understand which meeting you are referring to here.

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I'll try to be a little more long-winded with my posts from here on out to avoid further misconceptions of my comments

No need to be long-winded; anyone prefers a clear and concise answer over a long drawn-out one. That's simply what I was asking from you, and I appreciate your assistance.

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I yearn to shout,
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Last edited by MisterOpus1 on Jun-18-2004 at 21:58

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Originally posted by Izzy maybe he learned his lesson

Never! Muuhaaahaa!!!!!!

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if you remember prior to 9/11 bush had run under the campaign of not going out on nation building. I am glad that after 9/11 he came around to realize that he was wrong and indeed it is nessacry in order to prevent catastrophies and help stabalize the world. where-as before he would brush off outside threats on the US now he takes every intellegnce threat more seriously.

Some might characterize Bush's reversal as a "flip-flop". I'm not saying who, of course , but I think he just might receive this label as a consequence.

It's just not fair, is it?

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it is a shame that people in the middle east do not realize the better life they could have after the US has helped rebuild their nation to a free and prosperious one.

Now I know that our democratic republic, our liberties and our freedoms creates a much better environment than nearly all areas in the Middle East. Nevertheless, who gave us the authority to inflict our way of life onto theirs, esp. when we consider just how little they've taken our way of life in thus far?

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

damn you're just bustin my balls

"the boy" is our dear beloved president..

I'll get post some old articles referring to the closed door hearings in the oval office with the 9/11 hearings later, but i gotta shower and get to work now..

thank you for your patience with the n00bs