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Massive84
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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Sequence Realm

Hmm

About music, i agree leaking something is harsh, and your really low doin something like that.

However downloading something that is been out for a while,i don't know why there is alot of fuzz about it.

Downloading gives a producer/dj a bigger name also, and you need a good name to survive right?

Downloading also helps the buy vinyl/cd freaks alot, and there alot of these people in the trance genre, these people can download and review stuff, buy what they like and ignore they don't like.

I think Unlike pop/rap music, trance is based on desires and not money or fame, and thats what make trance underground and good.

A dj desires to play for the big crowd, desires to get recognized, of cource money and fame do have a small roll, but not so big imo.

EDM producers that desire fame and money, and make crap and fast music, will fall, because their audiance are kiddies, and kiddies download and leak .


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let me reitorate (spelling) I didnt do any leaking....


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Bayou Boy
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Louisiana

I'm not really worried as for as electronic music goes, because it is driven by record sales. If your a producer your not gonna make shit on cd's ...who want's to pay 20 bucks for a cd when they have all the records or know someone who has all the records. Viynl will never go out, because its special and sometimes rare... unlike cd's which you can copy over and over in your home. Produce good tracks and you should not have a problem!

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Choobak
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: NYC

Entire industries never really fall catastrophically. They always somehow evolve to do different things that allow them to exist and remain profitable. It seems people like to think about the sudden destruction of basically anything in life (society, companies, the environment...) but it never really happens. Happened with the food industry during the tin scare back in the post war era (they realized the usefullness of plastic), it's gonna happen with the fossil fuel scare that we'll have this century (there are so many other sources of energy).

It'll happen with our entertainment industries too. They'll find a way to keep charging us and still produce stuff. Don't worry, they're not going anywhere anytime soon...

Besides, the whole music industry "music sharing is eating up sales" arguement is complete crap. There was a study that looked at mp3 downloading peaks and record industry sales drops and realized there was no correlation between the two. People who download are not going to buy the music in the first place! And sharing helps our industry. Half the producers in EDM are only as well known as they are because of file sharing...


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nrjizer
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Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Bumfuck, GA
Re: When can we predict the FALL?

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Originally posted by Subtle
nowadays almost every software, games, and mp3 is available for download, one place or another on the web, programs worth thousands of dollars can be found and illegaly downloaded for free, what WILL eventually happen, cause it is a fact that INTERNET gets faster adn faster every year, it will always get faster, better, and there will be more people using it, as I said u can download about anything, in alot of years you will also actually be able to download Hardware, in terms of Nanomachines...

and when internet is growing and growing, what will happen to all those who develop those applications and music programs, not to talk about all those producers and record companies, those mentioned will eventually go DOWN to a big FALL, to a point where it no reason to make new programs, no reason to release new music, cause there is no market for it, at one point that WILL happen, cause the stream of illegal music, appz and games are flowing around everywhere in those big time "peer 2 peer" file sharing programs, like Kazaa, DC++, Soulseek, e-mule etc... those NEEDS to be shut down to stop atleast SOME of the illegal flow..

and when the web gets so fast that u easily can download a whole movie in a couple of hours, even the movie buisness is gonna fall... and who is the winner of all this, yes!, that is microsoft and other computer based buisness..

when CAN we perdict a fall?

any thoughts about this?


Nowadays? Dude, I remember downloading songs off audiogalaxy's ftp search and swapping warez with my friends 5 years ago - it's not like this is some brand new problem they suddenly have to deal with.

You speak as if there will be no reason to release new music any more once there is no longer any expectation of monetary profit from doing so. Since when has making music been entirely about profit? I'd be damn flattered that people were enjoying my music no matter how they got their hands on it. Some of histories greatest musicians have struggled with financial problems (like Beethoven and Mozart).

Besides, it's not as if people don't want to support the artists they enjoy (well I'm sure some don't care, but most do). You're predicting the downfall of music with faster internet and easy trading - I see it as a golden opportunity for the music industry. I downloaded tracks back in the day because I simply had no other alternative to hear the music I loved. I live in Bumfuck, Georgia. Ever try walking into a CD shop around here and seeing what kind of EDM selection they have? Shops like Amazon are nice for albums, but thats about it. What was I supposed to do for single tracks? Buy the vinyl for $10 a pop? I didn't even own any sort of turntable back then, let alone have the ability to rip the song to my computer, where I prefer to listen to my music (my best and only pair of speakers are PC speakers).

But with broadband becoming more and more available, the music industry has the chance to make a killing by offering high quality, un-DRM'ed tracks for purchase online. Companies like Beat Port are already leading the way.

Btw, you can bet your ass that a lot of EDM artists wouldn't be where they are today without the exposure they get with mp3's. Hell, if it weren't for rampant music piracy, I'd have never even known this kind of music existed. It was with mp3's that I discovered and grew to love this crazy computer music. And today I own two turntables, a mixer, and some $700 or so worth of records, and I've already got plans to buy more gear and tunes. If it weren't for music piracy, the music industry wouldn't have seen one cent of all this money I've spent.

I'm not too worried about the software industry, either. Software piracy has been around a long, long, long time - even back in the day, you could just gather up a bunch of buddies to pitch in for some new software, buy one copy and whore it around endlessly. Products like Photoshop are now the standard because everyone has gotten their hands on them (one way or another). Any kid who can download Photoshop in his bedroom probably doesn't have $700 to spend on his own copy. So Adobe loses no revenue from his actions, since it's quite safe to say he wouldn't have bought it anyways. Instead, if this kid ever does become a big time graphic designer, you can probably bet that he's going to include a copy of photoshop on his purchase list, since he's already familiar with the program.

Oh, and there's always going to be plenty of incentive to make software. You can find an endless amount of freeware programs out there on the web. What about Linux? A whole fucking operating system, complete with lots and lots of apps and tools - and it's FREE. You can even download the whole source code to it, hack it and tweak it as you like, and share you're creations with others.

Btw, I can download a full movie in a few hours TODAY, and yet the movie industry still seems to be making quite a killing. Spiderman, Lord of the Rings, The Matrix, etc have all been raking in the cash big time, like never before.


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noikeee
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record labels are going to morph into online stores and keep on leeching the artists


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Dr. Cfire
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Registered: Apr 2003
Location: Calgary
Re: Re: When can we predict the FALL?

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What about Linux? A whole fucking operating system, complete with lots and lots of apps and tools - and it's FREE. You can even download the whole source code to it, hack it and tweak it as you like, and share you're creations with others.


Linux is not freee. GNU does not mean you can not charge for your program. The licence is open source. Wich means that when you get a program buy/download/etc you recieve access to the source code.

For example Corel Linux is not free you just get access to the code.

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nrjizer
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Registered: Jan 2001
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Re: Re: Re: When can we predict the FALL?

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Linux is not freee. GNU does not mean you can not charge for your program. The licence is open source. Wich means that when you get a program buy/download/etc you recieve access to the source code.

For example Corel Linux is not free you just get access to the code.


Well unless I'm mistaken there are certain distributions that do cost money, but there are others that do not. Still, there are definately people who will use their own free time to help develop software regardless.


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Dr. Cfire
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Re: Re: Re: Re: When can we predict the FALL?

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Well unless I'm mistaken there are certain distributions that do cost money, but there are others that do not. Still, there are definately people who will use their own free time to help develop software regardless.


My point was that all distros of linux are free. Yes there are free ones and there are some that are not. The point was that in general linux is not free, but it can be.

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DJ Rat 187
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Registered: Nov 2003
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I don't think that it'll get that out of control, majority of people are still buying CDs and vinyl, now you would think mainstream would suffer because P2P programs have mainstream coming out the ass and so therefore mainstream is always at your fingertips but there is still lots of people who buy CDs and feel that it's "morally wrong" to download etc.


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Registered: Jun 2003
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Re: Re: When can we predict the FALL?

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I live in Bumfuck, Georgia.


Totally unrelated to this thread, but, excuse me...Bumfuck?


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Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Sydney Australia

quote:
Originally posted by Choobak
Entire industries never really fall catastrophically. They always somehow evolve to do different things that allow them to exist and remain profitable.

It'll happen with our entertainment industries too. They'll find a way to keep charging us and still produce stuff. Don't worry, they're not going anywhere anytime soon...

Besides, the whole music industry "music sharing is eating up sales" arguement is complete crap. There was a study that looked at mp3 downloading peaks and record industry sales drops and realized there was no correlation between the two. People who download are not going to buy the music in the first place! And sharing helps our industry. Half the producers in EDM are only as well known as they are because of file sharing...


This basically sums up my opinion


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