does anyone know if its true or not if Ray Bradbury is suing Michael Moore over the name?

Ray Bradbury wrote the novel Fahrenheit 451 about 45 years ago, but i dont think Michael moore got any rights to use the name..

hmmmm

The problem is, that it's the same i my country to some degree, is that we cannot like Michael Moore and be patriotic, that is patriotic to the current situation of our countries. That is because he is outrageous and we have been indoctrinated into beleiving that the outrageous are somehow less than the servile. All through education it's the same. Think about it, as a kid you were always told to keep your head down, keep your opinion to yourself and your'll get through fine. You want to be yourelf? forget it, that'll only get you into trouble.

Moore claims to love America but what i beleive he really means is he loves the ideals his country are based on. I am ALL for that. Patriots should be loyal to their constitution or whatever they have, they should never blindly follow their leadership, that is not patriotic, that is almost the opposite of patriotism because it betrays the values upon which your country resides.

That MSN journalist is really quite studpid not to realise the reason Moore dedicated the movie to dead soldiers. He's not praising them for duty or glorifying battle. Hes simply using this opurtunity to effectivel apoligise on behalf of the American people for the fact they had to lose their life.

Moore has some major issues i agree. However he is overal fantastic in his approach. The fact he sorrounds himself in publicity is not for personnal gain, it simply promotes those ideals tha he is portraying. Whats wrongs with wanting questions answered, whats wrong with following the leads that may bring jsice for the tragedy of 9/11?

Also what is wrong with making a film subversive? If the subversion is for a worthy cause then how can that be a wrong thing. America is based on principles of democracy. All Moore really wants is a return to accountability. What the hell is wrong with accountability?

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On the subject of the film (i apoligise for that rant), it's gonna be pretty much the same as Stupid White Men combined with Dude Where's My Country. But i look forward to that, it will help promote Moores criticisms. What is wrong with these questions being asked, who knows, Bush may be innocent of any wrong doing.

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Originally posted by Orbax I dont know how smart a regime change is when we have thousands of troops off in some hellhole.

They've almost got identical policies with regards to the war though, i anything Kerry will probably beef up the amount of soldiers. IMO a regime change wont have a negative effect on the situation, if anything it will improve the US' standing internationally.

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The war needs to be ended properly, not just ended, and I dont want a pussy like Kerry in office right now

Let's be fair here. You're calling a Vietnam vet with two purple hearts a pussy? I he's a pussy, then what's Bush? (an AWOL pussy?)

We've still got about 1000 troops in Iraq ourselves, and out opposition has pledged to withdraw them immediately i it wins government later this year. I haven't heard anyone suggest that our opposition leader is a pussy. If being a pussy means that you don't start wars based on lies, then i'd be damn proud to call myself a pussy.

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that dude is middle O da road and I think that we need a slightly tougher stance right now.

I agree that Kerry is further to the left than Bush (which I see as a good thing), but foreign policy wise, I doubt much will change whoever you elect. Neither of them are going to pull out.

If he's re-elected, I wouldn't be surprised if Bush doesn't go and get you (and intern us, as we invariably send troops to every US war it gets itself involved in) bogged down in yet another messy conflict - he's certainly managed to screw up Afghanistan, the place is run by warlords, some worse than the Taliban.

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Originally posted by Mebot does anyone know if its true or not if Ray Bradbury is suing Michael Moore over the name? Ray Bradbury wrote the novel Fahrenheit 451 about 45 years ago, but i dont think Michael moore got any rights to use the name.. hmmmm

Apparently he wants to 'avoid litigation', so no, he probably wont sue. Even if he did though, I don't know how much chance he'd have of winning. Al Franken won his case with regards to his parody of Fox didn't he? In my mind you can draw some parallels with the situation we've got here.

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Originally posted by Pheobius That MSN journalist is really quite studpid not to realise the reason Moore dedicated the movie to dead soldiers. He's not praising them for duty or glorifying battle. Hes simply using this opurtunity to effectivel apoligise on behalf of the American people for the fact they had to lose their life.

That so called journalist is an historian, a left leaning one no less, who has no love for Bush, what he does have is facts, and we all know what facts are to the kool aide drinkers....


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Originally posted by Mebot does anyone know if its true or not if Ray Bradbury is suing Michael Moore over the name? Ray Bradbury wrote the novel Fahrenheit 451 about 45 years ago, but i dont think Michael moore got any rights to use the name.. hmmmm

I'm pretty sure he would be protected under parody law.

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

looking forward to seeing it. looks like "propaganda" to me from the trailers.

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Originally posted by EriK_V looking forward to seeing it. looks like "propaganda" to me from the trailers.

yes thats what i was thinking

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Going to see it this friday w/ friends. i was impressed with some of his work before, altho i think the conspiracy theories sometimes go too far. we'll see how this one goes.

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Originally posted by arctic Let's be fair here. You're calling a Vietnam vet with two purple hearts a pussy? I he's a pussy, then what's Bush? (an AWOL pussy?)

do you realize how easy it is to get a purple heart? What exactly were his injuries? You could jam your finger in your ak 47 and get a purple heart. I am in auto tech with a guy with a purple hert and he got it for bullshit reasons. Just because Kerry has 2 purple hearts doesnt mean he's a hero in any form.

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I hate this thread because of its spin off now.

Give me a break here, it is not easy to get a purple heart and they don't award them to people who jam their guns, Kerry saved some people's lives in Vietnam, he was given the medals that he deserved. Who cares about Kerry here, this was about how stupid the movie by the bigot/hypocrite aka Michael Moore was.