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Originally posted by TECHno addict If you want to stay fresh, shift is needed. Look at any of the innovative dj's out there today, they look to multiple genres to enhance and update the feel of their sets. Progressive and breaks go hand in hand, just look at Hybrid.

hybrid *drool*

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee u dont....u let them stay the way they are.... openmindedness is a gift at birth...u cant change someone later on in life.

Ya, I pretty much gave up on trying to explain to them what my music is all about. I honestly don't care about converting them, because their minds are too narrow anyway. They can all be consumers of this society for all I care.


It just annoys me that EVERY moring, I have to listen to their garbage music for 2 hours before our store opens. I would bring in my cd's, but I know they will all talk shit about it and make me change it.

you need a good t-shirt:


"YOUR MUSIC SUCKS"


"(c)rap"

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it is underground music for a reason i suppose

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Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC it is underground music for a reason i suppose

Yup. If everyone listened to EDM, it would be mainstream. And that's not a good thing!

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Originally posted by Miss Julia Yup. If everyone listened to EDM, it would be mainstream. And that's not a good thing!

yeah alot of ppl would have headaches :P

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Originally posted by Miss Julia What should I tell them to make them realize what EDM really is??

don't waste your time

my friend tells me the same thing, and every time he puts hipcrap in his car, i start annoying him about it... heheh

i tell him

"man these lyrics are so annoying"

"boring"

"didn't you listen to this track like 10000 times"

"fucking old crap, don't you have something better to listen to"

or he goes about some very new and known track that I already heard before:

"man, did you listen to this!! its amazing"

me: "nah, never heard of it, it sucks"


hahahaha

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one of the nice things about being a senior at staples is that no one questions my control over the monitor wall. not even managers.

so guess who plays trance and progressive all day long?

lately one of my friends that works there has gotten bit by the james zabiela bug

IT CAN BE DONE PEOPLE!

seriously tho, as was said before, some people just have a closed mind and aren't ready to accept things that aren't mainstream or the norm. for them, you just say "it's your loss" and enjoy. if they decide to come on board later on, great, maybe they realized they are missing out on something. if not, let the sheep be lead.

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It's hard to change ppl who think like that..But i think one reason why they dont like EDM is because of the lack of lyrics in our songs...Which is not 100% true as quite afew EDM songs have lyrics...But lets say my fav track at this time is 'Signs from universe' and I happen to play it all the time makes them wonder...therefore making them listen to something like Beautiful things , As the rush comes or Forever kinda tracks might help a bit...

I was in hmv once and overhead a conversation:

-So what's Trance?
-Uh...I don't know some electronic stuff I guess...

I literally physically cringed. It hurt a lot. I bought 76 and another album so whatevs. I dont know how you can convert someone. I think its more of the experience of going to a large party and digging it. As far putting Trance on at a party forget it. I've played it for people and its subjective a matter of taste. I tried to bring a girl over who listened to Phish and the dead and it didn't work. She was like meh. But then again the Dead/Phish are just ick. I think where you can get people is cross over. Prodigy or like Crystal Method, Chemical Brothers that people know about. People that are into big bass for their cars or something. Oakenfold might
a good start as he does some crossover stuff.

I believe that everyone has a certain taste for music, to the exclusion of everything else. "No shit, Sherlock," you say, but hear me out.

One's reluctance for some genres is not necessarily voluntary, and may in fact be a byproduct of being able to enjoy other genres.

Listening to EDM is a different process than listening to something with lyrics. In the one, you are more into the music itself while in the latter, you care more about the lyrics and pumping yourself up that way. Not much attention is paid to the instruments in genres with lyrics. Of course this is a terribly simplified account of the differences. In reality the real differences are subjective, highly phenomenological, and not explainable with words.

This is just an example, and a stark contrast at that. It doesn't necessarily have to be an issue of "lyric-music" and "lyric-less music". There is a dichotomy between every single genre and requires a change in mindset -- you literally have to "switch gears" from one genre to another. Between some genres there is less of this "conflict" ... for example going from Chemical Brothers into uplifting trance, as was mentioned above. In any case you can even feel this "switching of gears".

It seems to me that everyone has a type of music that they naturally fit into. Whether this is an innate inclination or is an acquired taste, who knows.

Now, when someone listens to music of a type they don't usually listen to, then they completely miss the point, unless they're in an open enough state of mind to let it "click." So someone might be listening to the most moving song and not even flinch. They just can't get it. What's worse, you can't change someone's mindset, no matter how much you explain it to them. Until it works for them, they will remain oblivious to your explanations and at a huge distance in a very real sense. It's not even that they are inevitably close-minded -- it's just the way our minds work.

However, the effect is MUCH worsened if they already have preconceived notions of the genre in question. I.e. if they think of EDM as "techno" or "boom-boom-boom music" etc. Then it will be incredibly difficult for them to "see it." Actually, pretty much impossible.

So don't bother trying to convince anyone. If they are meant to like the music, it will "click" for them when they hear it. If they're not inclined to like it they will shun it. And it works both ways. Metal lovers can say the same thing about trance lovers trying to grasp metal, etc.

For me, not only do I not try to convince others to attempt to listen to EDM -- especially my preferred genre, psytrance -- but I don't even explain why I don't. Sometimes, I feel that a person might be capable of enjoying it, so I throw a CD their way. But I don't say anything. Preaching to people is a fine way to totally shut them off to the music.

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jpgrdnr As far putting Trance on at a party forget it.

Very good point. I learned this the hard way, as I'm sure most of you have, too.

Last edited by Alccode on Jun-29-2004 at 03:26