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DJ_Ampz
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exergo: Wow, your stuff looks mint!

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Izra
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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Kingston, Ontario

Very nice work exergo !! I really dig your designs.....

I agree, you can get by with photoshop, but just the switch from photoshop to illustrator can make a big difference in the capabilities of the designer....

It is probably the graphic designer in me talking, in school we had it driven into our heads about the bitmap/vector rules... and I was only in the program for a year !! lol

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DJ_Elyot
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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

That was actually a very nice explanation...

I've always found vector graphics programs a pain in the ass to work with compared to photoshop but that's probably just personal taste.

Usually when I design a flyer/poster/other design in photoshop, I just make the resolution as large as the DPI of whatever printer it's coming out on. Then there's no guesswork and the text is as crisp as possible. Probably a massive waste of hard disk space, but meh, who cares...

I am taking a graphic design course next year... 6 months from now, I'll actually know what I'm talking about!


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Old Post Jul-03-2004 03:29  Canada
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DJ_Elyot
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Registered: Aug 2002
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One other comment... aren't objects/text/shapes stored as vector graphics until you rasterize them? Maybe I'm just a n00b.


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Izra
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Registered: Jun 2003
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What school are you going to for Graphic Design? In my program they barely showed us how to use illustrator and expected us to do wonders with it in a short period of time. The god damn pen tool !! You'll know what I mean in six months...lol. My advice is to become familiar with it, and after you do, you will realize how great it is compared to photoshop for making graphics/posters etc. You will also get in big trouble from your teachers if you use photoshop for assignments that don't involve photos.

For the dpi do u make it anymore then 300/600? If you do, that is pointless, because there is a 98% chance that any printer you are printing on is not higher then 300/600dpi. If you make it higher, you are just wasting pixels, and space on your computer. When you print a 4000dpi document on a 300dpi printer, your computer just automatically takes away an extra pixel here and there and reduces it to 300dpi.

As soon as you type a letter, or draw a line in photoshop, its a bitmap graphic. Zoom in to the max on a letter in illustrator, then zoom in on a letter in photoshop. That will help you to understand how it works.

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Registered: Jun 2003
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Hey Serge, did you know that we know eachother?? Haha I just caught on to that now....

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crazedcanuck
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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Red Deer, AB

I thought this was going to be a thread complaining about flier ppl...

**sheepish grin**

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DJ_Elyot
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Registered: Aug 2002
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What school are you going to for Graphic Design? In my program they barely showed us how to use illustrator and expected us to do wonders with it in a short period of time. The god damn pen tool !! You'll know what I mean in six months...lol. My advice is to become familiar with it, and after you do, you will realize how great it is compared to photoshop for making graphics/posters etc. You will also get in big trouble from your teachers if you use photoshop for assignments that don't involve photos.


Actually I'm just taking a high school graphic design course as an elective... but it's advanced graphic design (they told me to skip the basic one because it would be too easy for me.) Should be fun.

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For the dpi do u make it anymore then 300/600? If you do, that is pointless, because there is a 98% chance that any printer you are printing on is not higher then 300/600dpi. If you make it higher, you are just wasting pixels, and space on your computer. When you print a 4000dpi document on a 300dpi printer, your computer just automatically takes away an extra pixel here and there and reduces it to 300dpi.


I use 360 by 360 dpi (which is the resolution of my printer) for images in photoshop. I've never had a problem printing graphics, text, etc. Always comes out nice and clean and crisp. I'm guessing that with Illustrator, the computer just converts your image to a bitmap image before it sends it to the printer anyway, but there shouldn't be too much of a difference in quality. The fidelity lost when applying certain filters to a bitmap image is the only concern I can think of... ex: if you start with a 360x360 dpi image and apply glass or ripples or other distortion to it, parts of it can get blocky if they get zoomed in too much. Most of the more common effects that I use (blur, lighting, glows and such) make up for the lost fidelity of the bitmap image with the averaging used by the algorithm in the effect. Blurring or putting glows around a bitmap image doesn't amplify the blockiness, whereas stretching, distorting, or zooming can.

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As soon as you type a letter, or draw a line in photoshop, its a bitmap graphic. Zoom in to the max on a letter in illustrator, then zoom in on a letter in photoshop. That will help you to understand how it works.


From the photoshop help file:
"You cannot use the painting tools or filters on layers that contain vector data (such as type layers, shape layers, and vector masks) and generated data (such as fill layers). However, you can rasterize these layers to convert their contents into a flat, raster image."

So basically, text, shapes, etc is vector data, but on the screen, photoshop displays the bitmapped approximation that will be created once the layer is rasterized. For example, if you create an ellipse in photoshop, it will be pixelly if zoomed in, but will display the perfect resolution at 100%, and retain this resolution when rasterized. If you stretch the ellipse, you don't amplify the blockiness because it hasn't been rasterized yet. However, if you rasterize the ellipse and THEN stretch it, you create a pixelly mess.

I never thought I'd be discussing photoshop on tranceaddict. What a great community we've got goin on here! LOL


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Izra
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Registered: Jun 2003
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
From the photoshop help file:
"You cannot use the painting tools or filters on layers that contain vector data (such as type layers, shape layers, and vector masks) and generated data (such as fill layers). However, you can rasterize these layers to convert their contents into a flat, raster image."

So basically, text, shapes, etc is vector data, but on the screen, photoshop displays the bitmapped approximation that will be created once the layer is rasterized. For example, if you create an ellipse in photoshop, it will be pixelly if zoomed in, but will display the perfect resolution at 100%, and retain this resolution when rasterized. If you stretch the ellipse, you don't amplify the blockiness because it hasn't been rasterized yet. However, if you rasterize the ellipse and THEN stretch it, you create a pixelly mess.
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hmmm good to know. I havn't done text or used the paint tool in photoshop in a coons age, beacuse it sucks for text soooo much.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
From the photoshop help file:
"You cannot use the painting tools or filters on layers that contain vector data (such as type layers, shape layers, and vector masks) and generated data (such as fill layers). However, you can rasterize these layers to convert their contents into a flat, raster image."

So basically, text, shapes, etc is vector data, but on the screen, photoshop displays the bitmapped approximation that will be created once the layer is rasterized. For example, if you create an ellipse in photoshop, it will be pixelly if zoomed in, but will display the perfect resolution at 100%, and retain this resolution when rasterized. If you stretch the ellipse, you don't amplify the blockiness because it hasn't been rasterized yet. However, if you rasterize the ellipse and THEN stretch it, you create a pixelly mess.
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hmmm good to know. I havn't done text or used the paint tool in photoshop in a coons age, beacuse it sucks for typography soooo much.

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