Ah my comp broke so iv been gone for a bit since this was posted but anyways looked through the replys and anyways i know my spelling sucks but oh well. Anyways as for the whole equipment thing with a dj standing behind it and just paying to it alone. I think that was part of my point the reason that a live dj is needed is not to mix the songs, any computer could do that better then a human could. Its to read the crowd and decide which direction your gona take peoples feelings. If the persons spending all his tme behind equipment and not paying attention to the crowd then the crowds not gonna enjoy it. Id have more respect for a dj using traktor but at least reading the crowd then for a dj using tts but not giveing a fuck to what the crowd wants (inless the crowd wants hip-hop then they can go fuck em selves)

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Originally posted by djtrinity well u have enlightened me then because i assumed they automatically adjusted levels,auto crossfade etc...

most programs used to mix software don't do that (apart from auto setting the gain) and there's no interest in using it anyway, it's far from accurate

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I can see where original post is coming from. But I have to say I do think it's about more than just the music. I still think the personallity of the DJ is equally important. In the case of PvD who has none what so ever. When I do to see a DJ or when people come to see me I feel they want to know what sort of a headcase I am and how much I love doing what I do. Not to the point where it takes over but you have to give some of yourself.

Something worth thinking about is what would have happened if people like PvD and Oakenfold where just starting out today. I don't actually think they have what it takes to break through. Simple reason being that they don't have strong enough personalities and their productions are far from the best around at the moment. Not to mention Oakies mixing skills. You can't fault PvD on his skills though but then there are so many DJs out there who are just as good.
Worth remembering also that a lot of the big DJs don't actually read the crowd, as they tend to have a pre set programme. Their sets are bound to be pretty spot on as they do it all the time.

I think generally a crowd will always enjoy someone who reads and interacts far more than a guy who is pre programmed. Not saying they wont enjoy the others but there is a difference.

Back to the point, I find that laptops kill the skills and destroy the atmosphere and sometimes also affect the sound quality.

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IMHO, it's variable on a case to case basis. like, on saturday, i went up to the beach to see Frank Lorber (for those who don't know, he is a german techno DJ who also spins a lot of electro and minimal techno, think like a Sven Vath Jr. who grew as big and strong as his dad in a short time). the man was dancing ALL NIGHT LONG while spinning one of the best sets i've ever been to in my life on 3 technics 1200SL turntables and a djm-600, nothing else. he was dancing, juming, shouting, and still pulling off RAZOR SHARP mixes from 1 am to 8am. at one point, a friend of mine who is one of his biggest fans and had bugged lorber all night for an autograph, but lorber had no pen or anything to sign really, starts jumping around in the crowd... lorber gets pumped up, picks up one of the slipmats and throws it at him, frisbee style, then calls him up on stage and signs it for him.

i'm sure it'd be slightly different if the Lorber man would be behind a PC, but still, it also has to do with him having a great personality (he is an ace guy).

then we have a case like the infamous James Holden. i just love his track selection, but he personally told me (search the music discussion forum for a link to the interview i had with him) that he would like to spin a lot more "weird" stuff, just he doesn't feel in complete control of things. so he wants to design a hardware interface to work with a laptop, says he wants it to be a bit like CDJ's yet he can have it personalized and with all the functions he needs in order to control the music completely. i'm almost sure if Holden got the hardware he wants, he would be even a more amazing DJ. not to mention, his mixing skills are a bit lacking, but his set is still amongst my top 5 because of his great track selection and the way he plays around and experiments with bits and pieces of music... now what if he could control his stuff even more?

so, again, it is a case to case thing for me.

personally, i really do prefer vinyl and CDs as opposed to laptop most of the time, and if it's me spinning, i don't like computers, or at least haven't found software i feel comfortable with.

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Originally posted by _-MIl0 Well i was just thinking to day about alll the new equipment out their and al the djs using tracktor and people bitching about cds vs vinil. And i just got a thinking, it realy dont matter what you use so long as you get your feeling acrose to the people. I personaly use both cd/vinil/a laptop but i use em all for different things, i dont think any of em's better then the other their all tools to help me get my music acrose, and just like tools they all have their uses. Anyways just wanted to point out its for the music not for the gear that we do this

well i sorta agree what your saying... yeah it Is all about the music.. but im a massive believer in turntablism.. i cant stand the thought of DJs using cd decks or laptops.// i mean ok.. if you cant afford it and just wanna spin in your oom.. go for cdj's but if you wanna be a professional DJ how the fuck can you expect to be professional about it using CDdecks or laptops.. you dont get more pro than using the good ole fashioned turntable.. if you can operate that the way its meant to be operated.. then surely you got sumthing going for you as a DJ

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Originally posted by [N]ûk|êû[Z] well i sorta agree what your saying... yeah it Is all about the music.. but im a massive believer in turntablism.. i cant stand the thought of DJs using cd decks or laptops.// i mean ok.. if you cant afford it and just wanna spin in your oom.. go for cdj's but if you wanna be a professional DJ how the fuck can you expect to be professional about it using CDdecks or laptops.. you dont get more pro than using the good ole fashioned turntable.. if you can operate that the way its meant to be operated.. then surely you got sumthing going for you as a DJ

I’m in (some what) agreement. Electronica just wouldn’t be what it is today without the Turntable, and yet there are all these people preaching the death of vinyl with evangelical zeal. It’s taking something very basic and fundamental away form the style of music they purportedly love.

Still, I’m open to the use of CD decks. I own a set, and whilst being a bitch to mix with, are extremely useful.

I think it really depends ont he DJ some are able to use a laptop to create a better set and some aren't able to pull it off it just depends on what there doing. I love bootlegs and with a laptop its a lot easier to do one.

This turned out to be a very intresting thread. I for one, enjoy seeing djs raise the bar. When i first started spinning, back in the day of the good ole' cdj-700 and cdj-500, i honestly couldn't stand djs using cd decks. To me, i associated the cd deck with wedding djs, therefore, in my mind every dj that used cds were posers. Now I have learned to accept cds because they're so common and the evolution of the technology has made it a more creative medium. Seeing djs like James Zabielia spin has really boosted my faith that someone behind a cd deck is not limited to just playing a cd making cue points and loops, but they can actually do the same thing now w/ cds that they could do w/ vinyl. Over the next five years, i can see djs intregrating video into their sets. I can see the use of new software and hardware like the pioneer dvj-x1 or ArKaos on a laptop, i can see a Xone:92 and a Edirol V-4 mixers work in harmony via Midi to contorl video and audio.

The technology is here to stay. How a dj uses the technology is what makes him good or bad.

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Originally posted by _-MIl0 Anyways as for the whole equipment thing with a dj standing behind it and just paying to it alone. I think that was part of my point the reason that a live dj is needed is not to mix the songs, any computer could do that better then a human could. )

I dont think half of the people discussing this post know enough about mixing to put up a decent argument.

There is no standard way to mix any two records.

Noticed that comment too "any computer could mix better than a human" I say it's the other way round!!!

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But like some said before it's all about the crowd (says the guy whos got sooooo much experiance ).

My mantra is beatmatching isn't mixing which isn't DJ'ing.

And I say a huge part of DJ'ing is actually just crowd interaction (think a wedding dj). Before you slate that comment a ace wedding dj can get that crowd going just on personality. Yes maybe you would never want to DJ to that crowd but the princible is the same.

Think if you were shagging your bird and she just lay there like a corpse (or just did the same things which she knew turned you on without enjoying it herself). No fun is it? When your DJing you can't be pissing about with stuff too much it makes it no fun.


If you:

Start only enjoying/listening to your mixes....
or effects or tricks and not really being fussed what tune has just been playing out your fucked. I know I slipped into the only mixes matter thing for a bit making them flawless was the whole aim. Then I slipped the other way to rough it's gotta be a balance. And I belive while more tech makes it harder to do, though better when you can stay focused.

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when i said mix i was refering to beatmatching, we know any computer could do that faster then a human could and more acuritly. But what a computer cant to is song selection bringing the mixing in so that it sounds great. plan your set ect ect. btw if your trying to say that i dont know about mixing.... rite not even getting into that lol.

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Originally posted by djn I dont think half of the people discussing this post know enough about mixing to put up a decent argument. There is no standard way to mix any two records.

ah what the hell...read the rest of my post you ****

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