I think it is too early to tell. If this war caries on for as long as the russians were in (10 years) then it could mean many deaths. But if it done quickly and with as little civilian deaths as possible it needs to be done.

What other ways were there to bring these sick terrorists to justice

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i still think war is not the proper solution

let's say they kill all the terrorists and that the allied force win this war , don't u think it's gonna add more hate and stuff toward america and uk ?

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Well we wont no soon, or maybe not even in the next 10 years, i just hope i never see another september they 11th or nuclear war like they said. On the news it said they could just have a pipe with 2 uranium atoms and slam them together. Obviously a bit more complicated than that, but it would b enough to destroy a large city, it would b as big as the ones seen in the second world war.

But i dont feel i know enough to say. The future will tell all

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 i still think war is not the proper solution let's say they kill all the terrorists and that the allied force win this war , don't u think it's gonna add more hate and stuff toward america and uk ?

tha majority of the American Hate over there is through Political Propoganda..... its so bad there really they have no free new service or any free television there..and in afganistan i think Television is agaist that law....so these people react to what people like bin ladin says ...they have no other sense of what is happening really only that US is comming to kill people ....but majority probably dont even know why the US is actually there for... this have to be done...a war has to be fought over this..otherwise they will be more innocent people dieing from this in the long run then through this war thats for sure... but i understand innocent people killed should always be prevented as much as possible ..but reality of life and war is its not as pretty and easy as it sounds ..people die innocent or soldiers but what will u say to innocent people dieing in the future in countries like US,UK ,etc..... what will u explain to them why nothing was done ???? and there isnt much political reasoning u can do anymore....afganistan taliban strongly agaist handing over him...or stop endoursing bin ladin and members..... so what else is there to do ....but this thread is getting so old i dunno why people still reply to this

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 i have to say it is the best analysis i've seen on this boards , i totally agree with you Lilith

Me too Lilith, thank you very much for your post.

We should of BOMBED Afghanistan the same way we bombed the Japanese after Pearl Harbor......my opinion and can back it up 100%

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No...we should NOT bomb them.
Just like we should have never stopped Hitler, and shouldn't have retalliated from Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

*hint the sarcasm*

Of course we aren't gonna nuke the whole country, but come on!!!! The U.S. bombing is MORE THAN REASONABLE. In fact, we are being generous. Millions of innocents died in WW2, and that had to be done! Look at the Afghan casualties, what, like 150 or something like that? Shit, the tailban kills that many in their soccer stadiums every week.

And remember, why should the U.S. give a shit about Afghanistan in the first place? All we've done is sit here and take attacks from terrorists, and had to put up with their shit. 9-11 wasn't the first attack! Zero retaliation is ridiculous, and is totally against every part of history on this planet since civilization. wars happen, deal with it.

oh yeah, by the way, a comment i must reply too.

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let's say they kill all the terrorists and that the allied force win this war , don't u think it's gonna add more hate and stuff toward america and uk ?

Who friggin cares? Ya know, why do we have to take all of the damage? Osama and the Al queda goons attacked America because they saw us pull back in the Gulf War, and they saw us not retalliate from U.S.S. Cole, which was a millitary attack, so they thought we wouldn't attack them. They thought we would be weak. So people like you are the reason they thought they could get away with this, and I'm glad we aren't being swayed by the loud-spoken minority.

sorry, but i'm kind of pissed right now.

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damn blow the mofos to hell- i dont care weather its citizens or what.. I agree they think US is weak.. they only respond to and understand force, and I'm glad its time that we got balls and did somthing about it -west cost speakin

Yes they killed Thousands of people not only from U.S. If terriosm is no dealt with now they will kill thousands more. Plus the Afegans
had their country stolen from them and there people cant do what we are doing now voiceing their opinion. They can't even listen to Trance. It's like a death sentence if your caught. So I think we would doing them a favor. Plus the U.S. has bombs that you can put threw a window from miles a way. So there would be minimal damage to innocent lives. Unlik those idiots did to us.

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Every now and then a 120 people who dont have anything to do with the Taliban get hit with a rouge bomb. Thats a city blocks worth of family's at least, mum, dad, 2.5kids, yes thats 26 houses full of people and Im still failing to see this as a "justifiable homicide" for Sept 11.

So where is the line in the sand for accidentally dead civilians in the name of revenge? Come on, wheres your limit before it starts to bother your conscience, assuming you have one at all?
Its too late, Bin Laden has flown to coop so to speak and isnt there anymore.

For the last 20 years the US has been playing middle eastern peacekeeper/arms merchant to these 'people' and a lot of people in the US government have finally decided to say 'we sort of had this coming'.
It didnt have to keep coming, but still the CIA and whoever else gave fanatics and warlords guns to kill the other side which was funded by the USSR to maintain some 'balance' in the region. So it happened, it took awile but it happened, the US gave the Mujahadeen Stinger Missiles to make the Soviets go away and it worked eventually. Then, when all the shootings died down there is no assistance from the US to help them build up infrastructure or put in place a democratic government. So what do the people do?
The warlords keep doing what theyre doing and fanaticism runs literally riot through the area, but they still have those weapons that they where given...

Sad isnt it?
Theres no hope for the world with all the revenge, greed and selfishness.

I'm sorry but I have a problem with some of these people who made post here who think we shouldn't be bombing. I know it is your opinion and I do respect that. But I think you need to face the facts, 1000's of innocent lives were lost during the Sept. 11 attack. They weren't just us citizens they came from all lands. There are going to be children with out parents. There was a major hit on the World's economy. We took a hit on our everyday freedoms. All because of terroism. If you now anything about terriosm their attacks get bigger and bigger. Which means 1000's more live if there not stopped.
I understand there will be innocent Afgan people lost and that sucks. I guess we will never really know by attacking terroism how many lives that will be saved. Not to mention It will be given back Afgans back their country, who knows maybe they will get into trance. Also for all the women who have made post against bombing, I don't get it. Afgan women in the taliban goverment are the egual to the food i feed my dog with. Imagine be shot in the head because your bare leg shows.Your not allowed to go to school. All your used for is to have kids and clean. So I think we are not only doing the world a favor we are doing the Afgan people an even bigger one giving their lives back.

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The continued bombing at this stage is totally ridiculous ... a quick bunch of fuckin nukes around about September 12th might have sorted the problem, but it's a bit late now

Seriously, from a strategic point of view, the mountainous layout of Afghanistan is totally unsuited to bombing, and the truth is that the Russians hammered the place flat with air power for 20 years before anyone even heard of the Taliban. As a result, the former Mujahideen (and now Taliban) fighters are highly mobile, and totally skilled in the art of dodging detection from the air - there are virtually no strategic targets above ground of any consequence (basically these 'terrorist training camps' are a bunch of $5 tents as Lilith said), and there are dozens of caves and underground complexes for the bad guys to hide in.

What we should be doing is going in there with a serious ground force, and flushing the fuckin terrorists out of the holes they're hiding in. However, the inevitable consequence of ground war is large numbers of body bags coming back home to the 'states and that is a political price that most Americans (and certainly American politicians) are not willing to pay, even though the soldiers themselves certainly are

The incredible military success of the Gulf War created this myth in America, that air power can resolve any conflict, and now it's always the fighter and bomber drivers that get the first phone calls, and are totally expected to work miracles. They're a godsend to politicians because they're skilled at dropping explosives on people's heads, and legging it back to base still alive ... and it looks so cool on the news with all those rows of airplanes taking off ... but I fail to understand how they were ever supposed to bring bin Laden in alive? They would have nailed him months ago if the US government had only had the balls to properly seal the Afghanistan borders, go in there with soldiers on the ground right from the start and start knocking door to door looking for the guy.

Now it's totally fucked up, Osama is long gone and it's kind of pointless to continue. He's gonna be like the arab Elvis now, sightings and rumours everywhere for the next 50 years but never actually able to be found.

Well done George W., you are in charge of the greatest military force history has ever seen and yet you totally bottled it when it mattered - now you've got another basket case third world country on your hands that you're going to have to spend billions of tax dollars on rebuilding, you still ain't caught the bad guys and you probably never will, until they piss off somewhere else and raise a new force of terrorists and do it all again in two or three years

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