Wouldn't an end to the Israel/Palestine conflict be a better 1st step approach to fixing the instability in the mid-east?

Plus, Even though Saddam invaded Kuwait some 12 years ago he was under a lot of restrictions since then and wasn't considered a threat to anyone of the surrounding countries. Except Israel perhaps.

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Originally posted by DaveSZ Actual Bush quote: "When you're talking about war, you're really talking about peace." That's simply the neocon philosophy, so it shouldn't surprise you in the least.

Are those his words verbatim? I can't seem to find that phrase.

All I found was this:

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Originally posted by George H.W. Bush April 28, 1992 Remarks at Bush-Quayle Campaign Headquarters April 28, 1992 ..."These are big things when you're talking about war and peace and saying to a whole generation of Americans you don't have near as much to worry about because of the fear of nuclear weapons..."

Maybe the Orwellian doublespeak can be found somewhere else and I will post it.

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Originally posted by occrider ...Wars can bring peace...

War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance Is Strength
-George Orwell

Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists
-George W. Bush

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Are those his words verbatim? I can't seem to find that phrase. All I found was this: Maybe the Orwellian doublespeak can be found somewhere else and I will post it. War Is Peace Freedom Is Slavery Ignorance Is Strength -George Orwell Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists -George W. Bush

Yeah, I wouldn't make something like that up.

Here is the audio:

http://www.kaicurryservices.com/pea...dishonestdubya/

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"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." -George W. Bush June 18th 2002

You didn't have the text verbatim, that's probably why I couldn't find it until I heard the audio file.

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War Is Peace Freedom Is Slavery Ignorance Is Strength -George Orwell

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Sorry about that.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Document 56 Letter from Richard M. Nixon to Nicolae Ceausescu. [Regarding U.S.-Romanian Venture to Sell Uniforms to Iraq], May 3, 1984. Former president Richard Nixon sends a letter to Romanian President Nicolae Ceausescu in support of a deal made by Colonel John Brennan, his former aide and chief of staff, and former attorney general John Mitchell, to buy Romanian-manufactured military uniforms for export to Iraq. Media and criminal investigations of U.S. companies that had exported weapons-related or dual-use items to Iraq were conducted after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Many of these companies seemed to have connections with former U.S. government officials. Document 61 United States District Court (Florida: Southern District) Affidavit. "United States of America, Plaintiff, v. Carlos Cardoen [et al.]" [Charge that Teledyne Wah Chang Albany Illegally Provided a Proscribed Substance, Zirconium, to Cardoen Industries and to Iraq], January 31, 1995. Former Reagan administration National Security Council staff member Howard Teicher says that after Ronald Reagan signed a national security decision directive calling for the U.S. to do whatever was necessary to prevent Iraq's defeat in the Iran-Iraq war, Director of Central Intelligence William Casey personally led efforts to ensure that Iraq had sufficient weapons, including cluster bombs, and that the U.S. provided Iraq with financial credits, intelligence, and strategic military advice. The CIA also provided Iraq, through third parties that included Israel and Egypt, with military hardware compatible with its Soviet-origin weaponry.

I'm making an intelligent guess that they never made any real headway on that investigation.

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Originally posted by Q5echo you call it a dichotomy. one exist from the other and vice vresa. it's the way it will always be. your dumb to think otherwise.

your logic is so messed up and flawed. if war (i.e violence) is your solution to bring about peace, then by that same argument, the 9-11 attacks were justified and we need alot more attacks on amercian soil so that the US changes it's often deplorable foreighn policy (over here I'm referring to different forms of coersion, economic and military, and various acts of state sponsored terrorism.)

ends don't justify such means.

long live the hippies.

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Originally posted by DaveSZ Yeah, I wouldn't make something like that up. Here is the audio: http://www.kaicurryservices.com/pea...dishonestdubya/

Ouch

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Mr. Saddam Hussein: Thanks for the memories you really made it make sense after all. Your #1 fan, ogvh5150 (click here)

Some memories indeed. I find it so ironic that Rumsfeld met with Saddam and worked with him in discussing oil transportation and such during the Iran/Iraq war, and then try to make him out to be such a complete villian some 20 years later. And when I say ironic, I mean sickening.

Thank you for reading and telling us.

Should Mr. Hussein survive to see his trial, it would be interesting to see what he was a witness to.

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Originally posted by Yoepus So was Europe. The USA stablizied that region after a large scale war. Why are you so skeptical that wars can bring peace?

Not that i dont appreciate the US's help in the world wars, but to say that the last 50 years of peace (probably the longest ever?) is thanks to the US is just bullshit!