ffs.. this fucks me off immensly.. im fed up to fuck of seeing new and less authentic ways of mixing that come around... why on gods green earth can we not stick with vinyls?... since CDs came around in 88/87 ish time, vinyls were destined to become extinct... yet its 2004 and still we have vinyls, and this is purely because of the DJ culture and turntablism... the art of DJing.. beauty in itself really.. why the fuck do we need CD decks and all this other shit that hi fi makers seem to think wee need?

end of thr day... if you cant mix on your standard turntable, the fuck off and take up tiddlywinks. ok so you cant afford vinyls and you wanna DJ as a pastime.. get sum CD-J's ... but dont expect top be taken seriously as a professional DJ with the aid of such technology as all this CD/laser bullshit that we dont need.

flame me if you will, i wont reply, but i come from a time when DJing was a scene of being in a place of complete randomness, the mixing wasnt amazing, but ppl had the best night anyones ever had... back when DJs didnt have dollar signs in theyre eyes.. and it fucks me off too see all ther 'supposed' top ten DJs using all this technology. A] you dont need it B] takes the fun out of mixing and C] makes the whole concept of DJing see more pointless by the day

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Originally posted by ali92 Unfortunately, there seem to be many people out there like GrimReaper (sp?) who don't care about preserving their music for the future generations.

I'm surprised there are people who do care

This product really does seem quite pointless to me. As people have said, it's pretty useless for DJ'ing. I think most people would much rather use their vinyl and suffer the damage than mix with a backup CD.

It would be like buying a car, then taking the bus to work every day so you don't wear out the engine

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Originally posted by ali92 http://www.laserturntable.com/ - I recently ordered a brochure from ELP containg a document written in English & Japanese, as well as an audio CD demonstrating the ELP laser turntable. I couldn't believe how improved the sound quality was when comparing to needle turntables. If you want to preserve you music and perhaps even put it on CD, the laser turntable is what you should be using. My aunt is willing to plunk down the ~8000 to ~14000 USD for this machine because she is into Hi-Fi things and wants to preserve her music, as well as make a digital archive of it in the highest possible quality. My question on here, as I know there's _plenty_ of people here into vinyl, is this: Is it that you don't know about this product or that you actually _like_ damaging your records with a needle every single time you play it? A laser can read into places a needle can't even get close to. Heck, this turntable can even play broken records -- something a conventional needle player can't do. Why not listen for yourself by having ELP Japan send you a free brochure with the demo CD? PS: Laser turntable -- a must for all vinyl enthusiasts. PPS: I don't work for ELP or anything, but I can't get enough of high quality sound, which is why I archived all of my original music in FLAC (flac.sourceforge.net) format.

it would have/would be awesome if it had pitch control.. how sick would that be.

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Originally posted by dj tek it would have/would be awesome if it had pitch control.. how sick would that be.

You still have to have means to manipulate the vynil physically.

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Originally posted by [N]ûk|êû[Z] why the fuck do we need CD decks and all this other shit that hi fi makers seem to think wee need? dont expect top be taken seriously as a professional DJ with the aid of such technology as all this CD/laser bullshit that we dont need.

Tell that to James Zabiela

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Originally posted by nrjizer Tell that to James Zabiela

Who's zie?

By the way, it would be easy if all music was on CD already; that way you really wouldn't need this turntable to preserve any music from today; just music from half-century ago. There always seems to be that one odd vinyl that comes out and isn't on CD. If you use CD turntables, you, of course, would need a CD copy of that release. This is where the laser turntable would work nicely at. Like someone may think on here, yes, it's true that detecting the quality difference between a perfect needle design and the laser, when used on a pristine newly bought record, is pretty hard and when playing at a party, it's a neglegible (sp?) difference.

Whatever it is, it's clearly provoking some strong opinions and added controversy here.

I wonder if it changes the tactile sensations of DJing much, if at all? Hmmmmmm...

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Originally posted by ali92 Who's zie? By the way, it would be easy if all music was on CD already; that way you really wouldn't need this turntable to preserve any music from today; just music from half-century ago. There always seems to be that one odd vinyl that comes out and isn't on CD. If you use CD turntables, you, of course, would need a CD copy of that release. This is where the laser turntable would work nicely at. Like someone may think on here, yes, it's true that detecting the quality difference between a perfect needle design and the laser, when used on a pristine newly bought record, is pretty hard and when playing at a party, it's a neglegible (sp?) difference.

The problem is, you seem to be assuming that people are interested in preserving their music, which nobody is.

With regards to CD DJ's having to copy their vinyl-only releases....I don't think any DJ has an excuse to do that, if it's only out on vinyl then mix it with a turntable.

Jay: Gotta disagree mate. IMO DJ'ing isn't about showing the world what you can do with a record it's about making sure the 10/100/10,000 people in front of you have a good time. And after seeing Zabiela (as somebody mentioned) I'd say that anybody refusing to use anything but vinyl is severely restricting themselves and bordering on closedmindedness.

i dont DJ at all... but my common sense says... why ppl might not like it

A) you dont get the real feel for djing... its just like using mp3's and cd's.. you dont feel the music under your fingers..
B) i think it would be a lot harder to mix diffrent vinels... with it.. but then again i could be blonde on that
C) looks expensive

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Originally posted by ali92 http://www.laserturntable.com/ - I recently ordered a brochure from ELP containg a document written in English & Japanese, as well as an audio CD demonstrating the ELP laser turntable. I couldn't believe how improved the sound quality was when comparing to needle turntables. If you want to preserve you music and perhaps even put it on CD, the laser turntable is what you should be using. My aunt is willing to plunk down the ~8000 to ~14000 USD for this machine because she is into Hi-Fi things and wants to preserve her music, as well as make a digital archive of it in the highest possible quality. My question on here, as I know there's _plenty_ of people here into vinyl, is this: Is it that you don't know about this product or that you actually _like_ damaging your records with a needle every single time you play it? A laser can read into places a needle can't even get close to. Heck, this turntable can even play broken records -- something a conventional needle player can't do. Why not listen for yourself by having ELP Japan send you a free brochure with the demo CD? PS: Laser turntable -- a must for all vinyl enthusiasts. PPS: I don't work for ELP or anything, but I can't get enough of high quality sound, which is why I archived all of my original music in FLAC (flac.sourceforge.net) format.

dude, YOU just told us the price...how can you ask that ??

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Originally posted by [N]ûk|êû[Z] ffs.. this fucks me off immensly.. im fed up to fuck of seeing new and less authentic ways of mixing that come around...

And I'm getting sick of vinyl nostalgics whining about every single progression made in digital technology that makes djing more practical.

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why on gods green earth can we not stick with vinyls?... since CDs came around in 88/87 ish time, vinyls were destined to become extinct... yet its 2004 and still we have vinyls, and this is purely because of the DJ culture and turntablism... the art of DJing.. beauty in itself really.. why the fuck do we need CD decks and all this other shit that hi fi makers seem to think wee need?

Oh let's see. CDs are far easier to carry around (even before CDs were around psy trance DJs preferred to play DATs, since vinyl would melt and was too much of hassle to carry around where they played), a lot easier to replicate for added exposure of unreleased material and also does not deteriorate as fast as vinyl the more rotation it gets. I guess CDs are more fragile than vinyl, but that's pretty much a useless argument since vinyl is easily scratched also. With today's technology you can easily get the same overview and manipulation abilities as you have with vinyl, so what's the big deal? The fact that all the vinyl nostalgics think that we should stick with an aged medium and thus stagnate technologically is really quite laughable.

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end of thr day... if you cant mix on your standard turntable, the fuck off and take up tiddlywinks. ok so you cant afford vinyls and you wanna DJ as a pastime.. get sum CD-J's ... but dont expect top be taken seriously as a professional DJ with the aid of such technology as all this CD/laser bullshit that we dont need.

Sorry, but this is vinyl nostalgia whining yet again. The whole "if you can't mix with vinyl you can't mix at all"-argument is the biggest load of crap I've heard for ages. Look at James Zabiela and tell me he can't mix or do tricks on his cd decks, all the top professional DJs who use CD more and more in their sets nowadays, or the labels/shops who offer digital downloads of their tunes for use in sets. Face it, the advances in technology are having a major impact on djing as we know it, just like it has on everything else in the world.

Also, why should I spend my hard earned cash on buying vinyl copies of every single record I already have on CD, when there are plenty of tools with just as many sound manipulation abilities available for me to use the CDs I already have for mixing? I mean what a waste!

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flame me if you will, i wont reply, but i come from a time when DJing was a scene of being in a place of complete randomness, the mixing wasnt amazing, but ppl had the best night anyones ever had... back when DJs didnt have dollar signs in theyre eyes.. and it fucks me off too see all ther 'supposed' top ten DJs using all this technology. A] you dont need it B] takes the fun out of mixing and C] makes the whole concept of DJing see more pointless by the day

Takes the fun out of mixing? Firstly, Wtf would anyone use CD decks for if it "took the fun" out of it? And secondly, do you not realize what sort of control you have over your medium with cd decks? Why the hell would this make it less fun to mix? The advances in digital technology do not only give more people the opportunity to play the music they love to other people, but they also provide the scene with healthy competition to do something extra in order to make your DJ sets stand out, which can only be a good thing. Of course there is the risk of people playing records they don't really own, but I still think it's worth it.

Seriously, all you vinyl purists should stop burying your heads in the sand and see what is actually happening to DJing nowadays.

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