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Originally posted by xKaoSx Well basically what it comes down to is someone lied to him to he wouldnt have to lie. The minions he put in place all had their reasons and whether he knowingly lied or someone lied to him and he didnt know better- it doesnt matter- He is still responsible.

I bet you can't generate one single credible, factual source that supports the second half of your reply. It's all speculation and opinion.

And you can't blame Einstein for Newton's theories. Yoepus had a great analogy there.

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Originally posted by Shakka I bet you can't generate one single credible, factual source that supports the second half of your reply. It's all speculation and opinion. And you can't blame Einstein for Newton's theories. Yoepus had a great analogy there.

Of course I cant prove anything- but are you saying things like never happen? What is it? Plausible Denial?

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Of course I cant prove anything- but are you saying things like never happen? What is it? Plausible Denial?

No, but say Bush hadn't acted on collaborating intelligence from 3 credible, independent sources and something had happened. What would you say then? It's either "Bush Lied" or nothing, eh?

Any reasonable minded leader would've done the same thing he did. He acted on the best intelligence we had, which was confirmed by multiple sources. He enforced 12 years of UN resolutions that had been violated and he did what the UN didn't have the sack to do for all of those years. He didn't back down or play the appeasement game. I gotta believe that even a numbskull like Al Gore would've at least attempted to have a spine and acted the same way on the same intelligence that Bush did.

You said it yourself: You can't prove anything, so either get a new argument or let it go.

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Originally posted by Shakka No, but say Bush hadn't acted on collaborating intelligence from 3 credible, independent sources and something had happened. What would you say then? It's either "Bush Lied" or nothing, eh? Any reasonable minded leader would've done the same thing he did. He acted on the best intelligence we had, which was confirmed by multiple sources. He enforced 12 years of UN resolutions that had been violated and he did what the UN didn't have the sack to do for all of those years. He didn't back down or play the appeasement game. I gotta believe that even a numbskull like Al Gore would've at least attempted to have a spine and acted the same way on the same intelligence that Bush did. You said it yourself: You can't prove anything, so either get a new argument or let it go.

If you found out from credible sources I was planning on murdering your whole family- what would you do?

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Originally posted by xKaoSx If you found out from credible sources I was planning on murdering your whole family- what would you do?

Well, you say they're credible. Show me the information, I'll have my experts dig through it and make sure they concur. If it's true(and if you have a pretty dismal track record for killing innocents), I'll give you a final chance to disarm yourself and abandon your violent plans, and if you still don't, I will have my minions hunt you down and kill you.

That's what you want me to say, right?

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Originally posted by Shakka Well, you say they're credible. Show me the information, I'll have my experts dig through it and make sure they concur. If it's true(and if you have a pretty dismal track record for killing innocents), I'll give you a final chance to disarm yourself and abandon your violent plans, and if you still don't, I will have my minions hunt you down and kill you. That's what you want me to say, right?

Ok- So I am dead or captured- You find out a bit later some of the information was incorrect or just plain wrong.

Do you feel as though you should be held accountable?
Or was it all just a tragic mistake and everyone should just move on?

Call my family and tell them you acted upon credible information (You still havnt apologized really) and tell them I am dead.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Ok- So I am dead or captured- You find out a bit later some of the information was incorrect or just plain wrong. Do you feel as though you should be held accountable? Or was it all just a tragic mistake and everyone should just move on? Call my family and tell them you acted upon credible information (You still havnt apologized really) and tell them I am dead.

Can I ask them why you were such a shady character who didn't take actions that could've prevented the whole thing in the first place if you had just done what you were told to do from day 1?

there is a deeper issue about Moore here IMO.
to be brief, Moore is a socialist. he doesn't care about kerry. he cares little about the what Iraq is about. he cares about getting the revolutionist ball rolling here in America.
i'd like to expand this but must go.

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Originally posted by Shakka Can I ask them why you were such a shady character who didn't take actions that could've prevented the whole thing in the first place if you had just done what you were told to do from day 1?

No- I am dead- Someone has to be held accountable.
Your phones ringing... It's the Dem's

If you are the Leader of the 'Free world' if you have hundreds of very intelligent people around you, who are experts in their fields, and you come up with evidence that a kid can say is faulty. And you still say things like:

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."

United Nations Address
September 12, 2002


"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."

"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

Radio Address
October 5, 2002

"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."

"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

"...Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" - his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
October 7, 2002

"...Saddam Hussein has produced as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."

State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

"... No doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003


Bush was lying to Americans and the world. Any person that cannot see that is really blind. I can’t believe O'Reilly went on with such a lame excuse that if he is given faulty evidence given by Russians who themselves opted against the war and still he says the President was not lying. I'm pretty sure if the evidence were so compelling the UN would have seen it. Or maybe the Inspectors or maybe Bush would admit his wrong doing after everyone proved him wrong. This sounds like a man who was lying. This man is senile you seriously didn’t think he had an edge over Moore, I mean Come ON.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx No- I am dead- Someone has to be held accountable. Your phones ringing... It's the Dem's

Take a message.

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Originally posted by Q5echo there is a deeper issue about Moore here IMO. to be brief, Moore is a socialist. he doesn't care about kerry. he cares little about the what Iraq is about. he cares about getting the revolutionist ball rolling here in America. i'd like to expand this but must go.

True- Moore would incite anyone to revolt against anyone.
He is the kind of person who would never be happy about anything.
Lucky for him- there will always be something screwed up somewhere that he can bitch about.

When/If Kerry gets into office give him a year- They'll be another book/movie.

Unfortunately now he has a large base of listeners who cannot discern fact from fiction.