Your proposal is completely unacceptable. Either you can now give me back the money you received 2 months ago or you cannot.

As it seems that you are either unable or unwilling to do this, I have nothing to discuss with you.

Stop making it sound like I refuse to give you your money back. Money doesnt just come from out of thin air. IF it did, I wouldnt have even done this scam.

I am unable to pay you at this time, but like I just told Tegu on Aim, I have put in a request for more hours at work to earn the money as fast as I can.

If you ahve nothing to discuss with me, then dont. That will just hurt you, not me. I continue to say this over and over again. I am not afraid of the agencies you contacted. So all I can say is, I am going to work as hard as I can to earn the money to pay you back, but I do not have the funds to pay you back at this point.

That is just the reality of the situation, and I accept the consequences that might come my way for that.

By the way, the poster you replied to was Cobolt not, Cobalt. (I forsee future confusion)

I'm shocked that the situation came to this, particularly when I was inclined to support your case. Given this development, your new post should now be doubted on most counts. You appear able to meticulously construct detailed, interweaving, convincing lies, and there's no real reason, aside from reported repayments, to think your new story any different.

I've dealt with depression for nearly four years now. I've attempted several medications, often believing I could take shortcuts in treatment to cut costs, and making incomplete starts with psychology to avoid financial burden. Ultimately I paid the price for this in relapse. Only now am I taking the serious, expensive steps to work past depression once and for all, because I can't afford not to.

But never -- never -- have I blamed my actions on an illness. Your ready willingness to do so make me extremely skeptical of any claim that you have ever sought treatment, let alone been in it for years. You know damn well what you were doing. Someone working with mental health professionals would treat their psychological problem as something within themselves and ultimately under their control, not as a complex, external scapegoat.

Your enthusiasm to sound convincing, and to bring suicide threats into the conversation, make me doubt the validity of your entire post. Both are red flags of a heavy deception groaning under its own weight.

And Prozac? I'm extremely skeptical that you would be on Prozac, or any SSRI, after several years of psychiatric treatment. Even if you were to be on an SSRI after several years, I question it being Prozac, which is prescribed less often these days compared to related drugs. Prozac is also the most commonly known antidepressant brand name to the general public, which would support the idea that you needed a convincing name.

Your sudden and wordy willingness to be sincere is either very unusual or clearly another set of untruths. Convincing claims to provide photographs, reveal personal difficulties, and tell the "real" truth are common techniques employed by pathological liars.

I may have given you some credit before I read this passage:

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I just hope that eventually, you guys can all forgive me. Realize it was a mistake. I am going to pay for that mistake, but like I said to my friends today before I decided I was going to shoot myself…..The more people slag me and call me a criminal, the only more of a criminal I will become.

This rings very hollow.

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Any other doubts I can answer? You can see that the medicine is called Fluoxetine, and underneath it , it says GENERIC FROM PROZAC.

You may also google Fluoxetine and you will find that it is Prozac.

Also, you really need to do more research before saying things like Prozac is less prescribed. The only reason its gone down in prescription is because of those trendy little cute ads for Zolaft.

My Dr prescribd me Prozac because it has the longest half life of all the SSRIs. This means that when eventually get off of it, I wont have withdrawal symptoms like users of Paxil have complained about. 70% of Paxil users complain of withdrawals.

Cobolt, I would think that since you have suffered from depression as well, you would know that often, you try making yourself think that its all curable without medication. At least for me, I always thought that taking medicine for it was just what lazy people did. I thought if I worked out, did better in school, etc, I would be cured. Then 4 months ago, I was on the phone with my best friend, saying goodbye to him, and holding a gun next to my head. Then a few minutes later, cops were at my door.

I surrendered my gun peacefully, and no charges were filed against me, but I was told that I would be required to visit a psychologist on a weekly basis, which I have been doing.

Also, I never said my depression is the reason I did this. I said that my therapist says that I do these tings in order to create adrenaline and releases endorphines as a subconscious attempt for being able to feel my body again. She says the fact that I have cut marks on my arms and that I drive fast are other ways to confirm her theory.

The next picture I will post is that of my law textbook, to prove that I study law and that all my comments about what I know about hte judicial system arent just ways to make you think twice about calling the cops.

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This will clear any doubts that I have hurt myself in the past, so that my "threats of suicide" as cobolt put it, are taken a little more seriously.

Like I said, this is the real truth. The post I made is the real deal.

I even spoke to DJ Thanh and Tegu just now on AIM, and they asked me questions about my motivations and how I did what....and I even gave them pointers on what to do to avoid other people out there who scam innocent people.

Not to stray from the post too much but CobAlt with an A is the one you are referencing and CobOlt (me) is posted earlier. but on a Side note I agree with a few things cobAlt said.

ALl in all. I think that Spective needs to pay everyone back as quickley as possible as he is stating that he is trying to do. And a Mod needs to kill this post. and others like it. Spective and other parties have PM and can contact each other that way.

Spective has made his point and admission of guilt and insults and assumptions can go on in private.

If nothing else this post should be moved to another section as it does not even really apply to the section its in. no?

I hope everything works out for everyone in the end.

-Cobolt

Well, I think the other two threads need to be killed. But this one shold have at least a few days of being up, because I deserve to be able to shed the truth to everyone.....i think there are over 2000 hits on one of the threads...so Id like to let those people know whats going on, and that I didnt run with the money

what a fucking joke,

you put a LOT of trust in other people that it was your "girlfriend" that did all this and you would sort it out, I cant believe you have lied through your teeth and tried to rip people off, an absolute bloody disgraceful act, ill or not.

Ill or not there are NO excuses for trying to rip people off and despite paying them back, you have lost the trust of everyone.

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I read your comments again and I have to say, how you can say "fuck you" to the people you have ripped off or questioned you, you deserve everything you get "mate".

Stealing is the lowest of the low, I should know, a few years ago my house was burgled and my mum & dad's wedding ring was taken as well as so much other jewellery (sp.) they also stole some other items of great value and of very high importance to the family, some belongings of my dead Grandpa for example, the lowest of the low do such an act, whether they are a drug addict or in your case. It is NO excuse, you have ripped ppl off, yes you are paying them back but that is not the bloody point, you even created this "Stacey-L" character and rabbited on about how you had visited her and bla de bla.

I find this a complete and utter joke, you had the trust of a mod (tta) who said you'd never do such a thing, how wrong he was.

And you say you have a reputation in the EDM industry? I'm suprised they trust you with sending new tracks yonks in advance seeing as you were stealing money off people...

Swear at me or insult me or what, but I have never stolen from anyone, the only time I stole sometihng was a toy when I was 5 years old, lol unlike you, and this is constructive criticism not just swearing and insulting, so dont start having a go at me, I may not be involved in this, but just the sheer disgust of the lies you have told made me want to make a post regarding it.

All I suggest you do is refund everyone and not do any selling again, until your 100% better :/

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umm simmy, i never said fuck you....read that phrase again. I was talking from the point of the people ripped off....

also, understand that this was a one time lapse that came desperation.

producers still send me tracks because I have yet to be found trading tracks with people. in fact, a well known producer on this forum tried to get me to trade him some of my tracks for some of the ones he produced himself. i said no, and he ended up saying "i am still going to send them to you because i know that you wont give them away."

i actually just got sent gabriel and dresdens new album today from the label itself. this is because PR agents know ive never done anything to hurt their clients. they even put tracking data in each CDR they send out that is unique to each member of the press.

also, you say youve never stolen before. for me, this was a first time as well. i bet you though youve made mistakes and done things in your past that you regret. i bet you wish you could be forgiven. i am not looking for forgiveness or sympathy. i made my post just to explain the facts at hand.

the good news for tegu is that one of my mates, who knows i am trustworthy at heart, is lending me the money so that i can pay him back next week. that will be mean by the end of next week, 4/5 victims are guaranteed to be paid off.

am i a lying cheating bastard for what i did? YES

am i a lying cheating bastard for everything in my past and future? NO

Last edited by Spective on Jul-29-2004 at 09:33

you people may think i am mad for say'n this....this may even be what he wants......but he is making attempts to pay money back....its prolle all bullshit anyway but how would u feel if this kid put a bullet in his head???????? would u be able to live with that??

ofcourse maybe he just try'n to get sympathy and this is more lies...but if i were any of u guys @ this point i would just let him try to pay me back and accept that he would prolle never would pay me back......

he at least admited it was him.....and we all know very well we can be scammed on this internet ..... that ancient phrase 'let the buyer beware'.......

is this kids life gett'n wrecked worth a couple grand.....think about this guys........

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