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Arbiter
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I thought Kerry was overshadowed by other party figures at the DNC. That said, polls are pretty meaningless as it has been shown time and time again.

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Explanation for the lack of bounce from the Gallup website:

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In an article on Gallup's Web site before the Democratic Convention, Gallup Poll Editor-in-Chief Frank Newport cautioned that it was possible the average convention bounce calculated for previous conventions might not apply this year. Voters appear unusually intense this election compared with previous elections, with the number of persuadable voters only about half the total in 2000. In addition, it appears that more voters are paying closer attention to the campaign this year than in previous years, so that relatively few voters would find the convention presenting information they had not already heard.

Another difference this year from previous years is that the three major television networks cut back dramatically on the coverage of the convention, devoting a total of only three hours in prime time over a four-day period. The one hour of coverage each night on Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday came late in the evening -- 10:00 pm Eastern time, 9:00 pm Central.

Apart from these factors, it is quite possible that the aggressive response of the president and vice president immediately after the Democratic Convention helped to tamp down even a slight bounce that might have occurred despite strong voter commitment and little convention coverage. Among registered voters, the Friday figures showed a lead for Kerry, while the Saturday figures -- conducted after Bush began a campaign swing in four battleground states to counter Democratic criticisms of his presidency -- showed a lead for Bush.

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup surveys over the past several months have shown surprising stability in the presidential contest, with both candidates' support levels varying within a narrow range. Kerry led by six points in early March, but then Bush led by six in mid-April. In early June, Kerry led by six, but that moved to a virtual tie, until Kerry led by five in early July. Now Bush leads by four.


http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=12565

Bloody "liberal media".

Secondly, you have to place this poll in historical context. When Gore experienced a massive swing in his favour after the DNC in 2000, this was only because he was so far behind to begin with:

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The latest Gallup poll, conducted August 18-19, shows Vice President Al Gore and Texas Governor George W. Bush in a dead heat, with 47% of likely voters saying they would choose Gore and 46% opting for Bush. This represents a 17-point swing from a poll conducted before the Democratic National Convention, when Bush led Gore by 16 points, 55% to 39%.


http://www.gallup.com/content/login.aspx?ci=2614

It's also worth pointing out that, historically, polls taken in August are not likely to give you a very good indication of who's going to come out on top. Look at Gallup trends going back more than half a century:

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=1216

Finally, Bush's approval rating is at close to the lowest it's been throughout his presidency (he's only 1% ahead of his lowest ebb in May of this year) and the trend throughout the year - after being at 60% in January - has been consistently downwards:



I don't think there's any doubt that this is going to be a close election, but Bush is probably relying on one of three things to secure the election:

1) A major national disaster.
2) The capture of Osama bin Laden, or some other significant progress in the War on Terror.
3) A major Kerry slip-up.

If none of things things happen, I'm not sure how he's going to arrest his continuing slide. Considering the huge popularity spikes he's had over his incumbency, the fact that he's struggling to keep above water with another 3 months to go until the election is a pretty bad reflection on his endless succession of blunders while in office. If September 11 had never happened then Bush's failures as a president would have been made more prominent and I doubt very much that he'd be as well placed as he is now (which even then, for an incumbent president, is not very well).

In any case, this will be interesting.


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This might also interest some of you:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

It attempts to predict the outcome of the electoral college vote based on polling information from all states. At the moment it has Kerry winning the election 289 - 232, but I still stand by what I said before about polls in early August not giving a great indication of who's going to win the election in November.


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quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
I thought Kerry was overshadowed by other party figures at the DNC. That said, polls are pretty meaningless as it has been shown time and time again.



Indeed.


This is about how much credibility most polls (but Gallop and CNN in particular) have:

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October 27th 2000


Gallop/CNN Poll


Bush 52% Gore 39%


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LiquidX
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Here's the poll conducted by AOL, which shows the voting state by state by current members.. shows Kerry with a huge lead, I hope it stays that way..


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quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
Here's the poll conducted by AOL, which shows the voting state by state by current members.. shows Kerry with a huge lead, I hope it stays that way..




But the red ones look so much less gay than the blue ones.

Oh my gawd, you use AOL?? Lahooosaaherrr!!(just kidding)

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since when has straw vote been more well reknowned than the Gallop Poll that has been tracking post conventions for over 30years.

Wait lets listen to Aol.

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Originally posted by Shakka
But the red ones look so much less gay than the blue ones.

Oh my gawd, you use AOL?? Loser(just kidding)


I use DSL and connect to AOL through the Bellsouth IP ( Had it before.. I use it once in a while, but I use Mozilla ( look at the browsers under ) .


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Originally posted by speedracer_mec
since when has straw vote been more well reknowned than the Gallop Poll that has been tracking post conventions for over 30years.

Wait lets listen to Aol.


Who ever said AOL is more crediteable?!?!.. Its just a Poll conducted by AOL dude.. relax!


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Who ever said AOL is more crediteable?!?!.. Its just a Poll conducted by AOL dude.. relax!


So it's a straw poll of AOL members? Tilted strongly for Kerry? This only further lessens my opinion of those who still use AOL.

Anyhow, Gallup continued polling through yesterday to get a larger sample. The results are up on the website now, and the spread stayed the same, but the percentages changed. It's now Bush at 51% and Kerry at 47%.


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Originally posted by imokruok
So it's a straw poll of AOL members? Tilted strongly for Kerry? This only further lessens my opinion of those who still use AOL.


Smarty one, poll is as relatively close to the percentage conducted by gallup, and it leans even more to the right.


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