I'll always offer to pay for half, but I think it's nice when a guy pays for the first couple of dates. After you're officially a couple, you should either take turns paying or always split it, it's not right otherwise.

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Originally posted by d!abolic I think today's 'men' are largely to blame for women's skewed perspective of the dating game. They call them 5 times a day, buy them flowers all the time, pay for their dates, buy them gifts, pay their damn bills and do everything imaginable to spoil them rotten.

Guys like this make it tough for the normal honest guy. Whats worse is that these guys do it because they feel insecure about being with the girl.

STOP BEING PUSSIES!!!!

Men in Canada for the most part get what they deserve. Sadly it means the honest stiff has to go elsewhere to find women that arent so manipulative.

I'm fairly traditonal when it comes to dating I guess.. chivalry and all that..(opening doors, pulling out chairs, paying)

Haven't had to bust out those rules for some time though.

It's interesting the things you learn about your date once the check comes though... I always just go straight for the wallet, but nearly every girl I've dated has wanted to split it or pick up the tip.

And if a girl ever asked me to buy her a drink, I'd give her her my best smile, motion to the bartender, and pass her a cup of water, fresh from the tap baby.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck And if a girl ever asked me to buy her a drink, I'd give her her my best smile, motion to the bartender, and pass her a cup of water, fresh from the tap baby.

Hahhaha, yes!!

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Originally posted by starsearcher I usually split...unless I'm feeling generous and sometimes pay for something...but if the girl insists taht I should be the one paying for her chances are I won't go out with her for long... Precious time my ass...

that is pretty much exactly my thoughts

if a girl ASKS me to pay, I likely will, but I will have issue with it.
I will pay for her no problem, but if she asks, thats kinda low.

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Usually i pay the first date because im the one asking her out, but a girl will not get a second date unless she at least does "the reach" ... as in reaching for her purse. At least show the intention of wanting to take care of the bill. If that doesnt happen i feel as used as "yo mama on prom night" and shes not getting a second call.

LOL

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Originally posted by Skipper I don't think men SHOULD pay, but most of the guys I have dated still have some sense of chivalry and like to think of themselves as the providers

If you were a single mother of four working for minimum wage, then the noble thing for the man to do may in fact be to pay. In that case, you would NEED his support. But in reality, you don't. There is no NEED for him to be a provider, and he's creating an artificial need to compensate for lack of other admirable qualities. Think about it, how is that different from the guy who constantly talks about himself and won't shut up about how much he makes, or how much he lifts or how well connected he is?

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Originally posted by Durafei Whoever asks for a date should pay for a date. IMHO that's fair. Thus if you are a guy and ask a girl for a date, expect to pay for it.

The problem with this is that girls are usually too timid to make the move, so the guy usually ends up asking the girl out, even if she's actually more interested in him than he is in her. Of course, there are exceptions, but we're talking about MOST girls here.

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Originally posted by starsearcher I usually split...unless I'm feeling generous and sometimes pay for something...but if the girl insists taht I should be the one paying for her chances are I won't go out with her for long... Precious time my ass...

I have this friend who always gets suckered into paying for dates. Whenever a girl even hints at the fact that i should pay, i always remember his pityful face and remember him say "i paid for everything and she didn't even say thanks... god i feel like such a loser!"

If a girl INSISTED i pay like it's my sworn duty and obligation, not only wouldn't there be a second date, but i'd just get up and walk away, leaving her to pay for the first. I think that'd be the last time she'd ever insist on that again.

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Originally posted by Silver Bass If women expect me to pay for the date they better make DAMN GOOD breakfast

Hallellujah, my brotha.. HALLALLUJAH!

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Originally posted by The Highroller I find there aren't that many girls like this anymore. Usually the ones that are like this are girls you probably wouldn't want to get involved with anyways.

Precisely. When the average guy gets a date with a cute girl, he immediately assumes she's perfect for him. Therefore, he goes on to do everything imaginable to prove himself worthy, and ironically enough, this results in him getting dumped. That guy should really be sitting there and thinking if she's good enough for him, not if he's good enough for her! Because there are so many pretty girls out there, but true men are as rare as supermodels. In fact, most of those girls have never even met one.

I had a talk with a girl like the kind you mentioned - no job and used to being supported by guys. We've gone out twice and i insisted that we split both times, so now she decides to start giving me a hard time about it and tells me how all the other guys always pay. At this point, i just looked at her and bluntly laid down my principles. She sat there looking at me for like 10 seconds. And then just says "WWOWW" and starts smiling and crying and telling me she's never met someone like this before.

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diabolic: most canadian guys are too pussy to stand up for their principles and the ones who do usually get called cheap or whatever. The issue here isnt about money, its about respect. Obviously you dont respect me as a person if all you want is whats in my wallet just the same as how a woman would say that a guy doesnt respect her if all he wants is to get into her pants. I see absolutely no difference. To me, the guys who lay out all sorts of money on strangers are just as slutty as women who fuck every guy she meets.

You want equality? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you just got it!

Yea, i'm with ya here Jay. I don't see the need for us to go after other women though. If we're strong enough, we can impose our will on the girls we date and get them to see things our way. And while i'd rather not have to do that, if i'm forced to choose between doing that and being her bitch, you're damn right i'm gonna do it!

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Originally posted by tw1tch I'll pay, I don't give a shit about the money, it's the principal/attitude behind it. Sitting back expecting me to pay all the time and that'll piss me off, honestly offering to pay when you can, makes all the difference, even if they don't end up paying. With my GF, I pick up the cheque more often because I make more money, but she doesn't expect me to pay all the time. She contributes what she can, so I don't mind really care if I spend more. But in general, I'd pay for the first date, 2nd too, but after that (and especially if there was no offer to help in the first two). I'd be on the highroad out of there. Go find someone else to take advantage of.

my thoughts exactly..

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