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BadBadNeil
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Registered: Dec 2003
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oh my god politicians are dishonest and dishonorable?

Old Post Aug-06-2004 00:48  United States
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NYCTrancefan
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Registered: Jul 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
No, they should have the freedom to state their opinion. It's freedom of speech, just because you don't like the content is not reason to ban it.


Does anyone even agree that what these guys are laying claim to is factual or legitimate. How many people do you believe will see this ad in the particular states and believe it is pure facts. You are correct this is America everyone has the right to freedom of speech, what they don't have the right to is irresponsible claims and statements on such an issue as John Kerry and his role in the Vietnam War. I ask once again why the discrepancy between the men who were under John Kerry and these particular individuals. These guys like you said seem to be giving more opinion than facts, that to me certainly raises questions about their motivations. They present no sound facts as to their claims, but generic statements branding Kerry as unfit for leadership and questioning third purple hearts, Cmon where's the meat and potatoes.


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Q5echo
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas

i have never questioned Kerry's war record for the sole reason that i was not in the Mekong Delta as much as i was in the Texas Air National Guard in 1969.

with that said, it is Kerry's sole decision to make his Vietnam record the cornerstone of, not just his national convention, but his entire campaign as opposed to his record of 30 years in the senate. it was his choice, just like it was his choice to run for the presidency.

no one, including the men that served with him and around him, gave two shits whether he was an anonymous career senator from taxechusettes or an anti-war activist until he made the decision to become one step away from the office of the leader of the free world.

all of us here can only be so critical of the character of the man Kerry.
let the men who fought the war beside him, be critical of the character of the man that decided to make his character during that war a contention.

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May 4, 2004

Senator Kerry,


We write from our common heritage as veterans of duty aboard Swift Boats in the Vietnam War. Indeed, you should note that a substantial number of those men who served directly with you during your four month tour in Vietnam have signed this letter.

It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us). Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war.

We believe you continue this conduct today, albeit by changing from an anti-war to a "war hero" status. You now seek to clad yourself in the very medals that you disdainfully threw away in the early years of your political career. In the process, we believe you continue a deception as to your own conduct through such tactics as the disclosure of only carefully screened portions of your military records. Both then and now, we have concluded that you have deceived the public, and in the process have betrayed honorable men, to further your personal political goals.

Your conduct is such as to raise substantive concerns as to your honesty and your ability to serve, as you currently seek, as Commander-in-Chief of the military services.

It is vital that the American public have as much information as possible about candidates for President of the United States. In various ways, you have rightly called upon President Bush to be fully accountable and to provide full disclosure. In the same spirit, now that you are the presumptive nominee of your Party, we believe it is incumbent upon you to make your total military record open to the American people.

Specifically, we the undersigned formally request that you authorize the Department of the Navy to independently release your military records (through your execution of Standard Form 180), complete and unaltered, including your military medical records. Further, we call upon you to correct the misconceptions your campaign seeks to create as to your conduct while in Vietnam. Permit the American public the opportunity to assess your military performance upon the record, and not upon campaign rhetoric.

Senator Kerry, we were there. We know the truth. We have been silent long enough. The stakes are too great, not only for America in general but, most importantly, for those who have followed us into service in Iraq and Afghanistan. We call upon you to provide a full, accurate accounting of your conduct in Vietnam.

Respectfully,

Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, USN
Captain Charley Plumly, USN (ret)

Mr. Alvin A. Horne

Mr. Bill Lannom

Mr. John O'Neill

Mr. Wey Symmes

Mr. William W. Franke

Old Post Aug-06-2004 02:10  United States
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arctic
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Australia

quote:
Originally posted by JM
a shame that the Bush administration stooped to the low level that the liberals operate at.

>JM<


Out of curiosity, who are "the liberals" that you're referring to? Furthermore, do you know what the word liberal actually means?

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Originally posted by imokruok
If you're outraged at this ad, you should be just as outraged as the moveon.org ads. So, by all means, call Senator Kerry and have him call moveon.org and tell them to stop buying media time. As Scott McClellan said, Bush has stated an interest in curbing the influence of 527's, but will not tie his own hands with out a pledge from the other side.

Legally, yes – but it should be pointed out that legalities aren’t what people are alluding to when they criticize this particular ad. People are annoyed at the content rather than the fact that a 527 is running an anti-Kerry ad.

As for the 'call Senator Kerry' idea, quite frankly I doubt that they'd stop running the ads even if he asked them to.

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rainbow_marble
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anyone listen to Michael Savage radio program? they had the machinegunner from john kerrys swiftboat on the show... he had alot of nasty things to say about this traitor who is representing democrats

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DaveSZ
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Registered: Jan 2003
Location: ATX

quote:
Originally posted by rainbow_marble
anyone listen to Michael Savage radio program? they had the machinegunner from john kerrys swiftboat on the show... he had alot of nasty things to say about this traitor who is representing democrats



I'm sorry I missed it.

Did Savage burn crosses in a black person's yard after the show?

That's what he does in his free time correct?

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