the way i look at it is, if its public property,
then they entirely have the right to set up cameras.
obviously if it were on private property, THEN and
only then, would it be intrusive....

the only big brother comparison to me would be
the idea of putting a chip in ppl to monitor
all of our movements - thats scary stuff

and of course they'd justify it by claiming its
"a matter of national security"
this i'll NEVER let anyone convince me of

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Originally posted by TheVrk the only big brother comparison to me would be the idea of putting a chip in ppl to monitor all of our movements - thats scary stuff and of course they'd justify it by claiming its "a matter of national security" this i'll NEVER let anyone convince me of

if that put the crime level at zero or near that, i for one would actually not care if someone monitored where i was. it is not like i cannot continue my life EXACTLY as i did before...

For those against this, I guess you don't mind being on camera in nearly every private establishment... including clubs, but don't like the idea of the cops having access to a good tool for ensuring your safety....

As for the drug dealer cameras comment Malek made... that was probably the idea... getting the drug dealers out of that particular neighbourhood... unfortunately they often don't care where they go, as long as it's out of the more affluent touristy areas.

they're all over London in the UK! evil!!

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its a good idea.

i people seem to be in favour of this, im glad. i was hoping i wasnt going to hear "but my privacey" arguments.

how do you claim that your privacy is being violated when you have none? there are a million people on the street already!!!! you want your privacy? go up northin, not crowded downtown TO.

I am a little concerned at the amount of cameras everywhere. When you leave your house count how many times you are caught on video (gas stations, TTC, street corners, bank machines, stores etc etc). The numbers are quite scary. I know all about public property and all that - just a little freaky to know that your every move can be tracked....

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Originally posted by girllovingtvibe I am a little concerned at the amount of cameras everywhere. When you leave your house count how many times you are caught on video (gas stations, TTC, street corners, bank machines, stores etc etc). The numbers are quite scary. I know all about public property and all that - just a little freaky to know that your every move can be tracked....

It's scarry only if you have something to hide
And like Digital MP said...it's not like someone is actually there watching you....it's just automatically recorded so that in case something does happen they can go back and have a look.

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Originally posted by Orko here are a million people on the street already!!!! you want your privacy? go up northin, not crowded downtown TO.

out of curiousity, would you be opposed to cameras placed "up north?"

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If anyone has seen the the documentry "Cyberman" about U of T professor / cyborg Steve Mann he makes alot of good points about privacy and wearable computers, etc.

the best point he makes is why aren't we allowed to film where ever we like without permission, but we are filmed all the time in stores, etc. without permission.

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I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand i see what they want to do and it could result in better security downtown. On the other hand it raises the possibility of using it as an intrusive measure years down the road for fining people for such things as pissing on a garbage can.

I think the real issue that should be addressed is that why is there a need for cameras in the entertainment district in 2004 when FEWER people go there as compared to the 90s when on any given night it was probably twice as busy. I think thats the real sign of the times.