I think the fact that there are few open conflicts is a testament as to "why" we have a military. Detection and prevention are also on the agenda.

Well, anyway you look at it...a military is necessary. It's a tough job with intense training which usually changes one as a person. I can see how some of the things you're talking about would come out of military training and it's unfortunate but I know with places like America at least, military service is optional.

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Originally posted by Orbax I think the fact that there are few open conflicts is a testament as to "why" we have a military. Detection and prevention are also on the agenda.

but the miliatary arent involved in detection are they? would it not to be better off cutting down in some military spending and giving it to CIA or FBI who are the man guys in detection and prevention.


for example, the iraqi war has nothing to do with detection or prevention with anything related to America or American people.

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Originally posted by Zewad media loves shit that goes against the military,... you never hear about all the good stuff that it does and with the US Army being the largest organization in the world there are bound to be bad apples...

In America it appears that not supporting the arms forces is totally unpatriotic, probably the worst possible offense. So even if you didn't support the war, it was common practise to support the military, or risk all sorts of abuse.

But with this ingrained bias aside, I think that the practises of the military are out of date, and with a new age leader hopefully they will change.

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Originally posted by Michael19 but the miliatary arent involved in detection are they? would it not to be better off cutting down in some military spending and giving it to CIA or FBI who are the man guys in detection and prevention. for example, the iraqi war has nothing to do with detection or prevention with anything related to America or American people.

Iraqs an odd one, ill grant you that.

Part of the reason military spending is so astronomical is to make it so they have alternatives to getting their men shot and killed. R&D for unmanned projects and home clearing devices are a big thing. Alternative fuel sources for jets like the new planes that run off radiation from halfnium being exposed to xrays. They do a lot of stuff that isnt directly linked to killing people.

and I would say that the FBI and CIA are one of the most important parts of the military.

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Originally posted by spec In America it appears that not supporting the arms forces is totally unpatriotic, probably the worst possible offense. So even if you didn't support the war, it was common practise to support the military, or risk all sorts of abuse. But with this ingrained bias aside, I think that the practises of the military are out of date, and with a new age leader hopefully they will change.

new age how?

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Originally posted by Orbax Iraqs an odd one, ill grant you that. Part of the reason military spending is so astronomical is to make it so they have alternatives to getting their men shot and killed. R&D for unmanned projects and home clearing devices are a big thing. Alternative fuel sources for jets like the new planes that run off radiation from halfnium being exposed to xrays. They do a lot of stuff that isnt directly linked to killing people. and I would say that the FBI and CIA are one of the most important parts of the military.

is funding for FBI and CIA included in military funding?

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No idea, actually

but im sure they are more than adequately funded, especially these days.

haha, well i am sure they are scrapping by on the money stakes!


also, back to the original point, i think the reason there is problem with the military is in the training and attitudes.

basic military men who just join up are usually young, and young men are always up for trouble. so when they get "Trained" i think it goes to there heads, and when you mix that with drink they think they are invincilbe and do tend to throw there weight around more.

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Originally posted by -=M=- just think about it

I have, but when I do I can also term learning as being brainwashing.


I think it falls back on a negative attitude on military actions. When you leanr new things then, its called brainwashing.





and there is a lot more to the military than what you guys are talking about. most of my military friends are on peace keeping missions, peace killing missions, or anythign like that. Most go through training, meet tons o new friends, go to wierd places to train, then make a ton o money.



although I know zewads missions in oklahoma are pretty brutal :-p, you savage.

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Originally posted by Michael19 basic military men who just join up are usually young, and young men are always up for trouble. so when they get "Trained" i think it goes to there heads, and when you mix that with drink they think they are invincilbe and do tend to throw there weight around more.

thats5 the main reaosn they want young people. They think they are invisible, and they can be easily trained the way they want them to be trained.



as you get older you start to quesiton things more, and you realise, you are not the toughest sob on the planet.....well with the exceptino of vivd boy.

Ive had to teach a couple of militants that there are people tougher than them that have always been civilians Part of it is good though, you dont want to have a whole bunch of people doubting their effectiveness before or during combat.

Marines tend to be the worst, just such meat head psychos. Ive had the largest # of incidents occur with marines.