I grow tired of the modern liberal strategy of fighting lies and misinformation with different lies and misinformation. The left and right increasingly appear to me as two rats fighting over the same moldy scraps.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I grow tired of the modern liberal strategy of fighting lies and misinformation with different lies and misinformation.

I agree to an extent. With the recent shift in western politics to the right, the left has become progressively more and more desperate to counter the rightist momentum, so I think disingenuity is becoming an increasinly popular way of combating it. The only problem is, though, that this disingenuity is self-defeating - it's more likely to turn people away from liberal ideas than towards it. While the conservatives (for whatever reason - attribute it to my own political bias if you like) have always been more receptive and credulous to misinformation, emotive arguments and biased sources, the extent to which these sorts of things are entering leftist politics is quite disconcerting.

On the other hand, I don't think you could classify the sorts of people who create these videos as being truly representative of the left or right. "Complete fucking crackpots" would probably be a more appropriate label.

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Renegade : in other words you don't believe anything shown in that video ?

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Originally posted by Renegade I agree to an extent. With the recent shift in western politics to the right, the left has become progressively more and more desperate to counter the rightist momentum, so I think disingenuity is becoming an increasinly popular way of combating it. The only problem is, though, that this disingenuity is self-defeating - it's more likely to turn people away from liberal ideas than towards it. While the conservatives (for whatever reason - attribute it to my own political bias if you like) have always been more receptive and credulous to misinformation, emotive arguments and biased sources, the extent to which these sorts of things are entering leftist politics is quite disconcerting. On the other hand, I don't think you could classify the sorts of people who create these videos as being truly representative of the left or right. "Complete fucking crackpots" would probably be a more appropriate label.

Left politics in the 20th century: Harry Truman and Thurgood Marshall.

Left politics in the 21st century: Bill Clinton and Michael Moore.

I think that pretty much says it all.

But you're right, I wouldn't characterize the entire left by a movie like that. Although it's surprising how many people on the left believe these things.

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