if he was on "e", then he probably does feel that way about you...that drug makes you not give a shit, so you pretty much wear your heart on your sleeve.


just talk to him sober and put him on the spot, asking him how he feels. it's kind of a big no no to go after your bf/gf's friend after you break up...but that also depends on what kind of relationship you had w/ your ex. if your ex was an asshole and treated you like crap and you had a bad break up...then well, if he has a hot friend who is way nicer and genuinely seems to like you, then i say go for it, if you like the guy.

buuut if you just grew apart and still care for each other (you and your ex), then out of respect, don't go there...and neither should his friend.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

I've never had a bad experience on E, before the come down anyway, but I have seen a friend come down really quickly and feel shitty because he didn't like the environment we were in. If he was drinking a bunch with it, there is a very good chance he blacked out and won't remember anything. All depends on the person and how much alcohol was mixed. I had that happen to me once, and woke up the next day confused as to what had happened. Didn't remember anything after a certain point. He might remember some of it, but he has probably forgotten most of the conversation. Depending on how you feel about him, you might not want to bring the things you talked about up. He may have browned out, meaning he will remember again if you remind him. I have had that happen a lot on E. It's your call. I wouldn't necessarily worry about him, depending on the frequency of his partying. Tell him you're concerned if it is a common occurence.

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you're an awesome friend theresa. It takes a real friend to stick around when things are absolute shit. i would know. if you're so worried about this, give him a call.

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He had been drinking A LOT before he took the E, and he continued to drink after taking it. I dunno how that effects things... ?

I am not trying to say that some of you are wrong, but I know when someone is having a bad trip, and I can guarantee that he certainly wasn't having a good one.

I am concerned because I know that he is a heavy partier. He has been getting into heavier drugs, and been trying more chemicals. This is combined with a very messed up life. He is 20 or 21, he lives with his grandparents because his parents abandoned him. He doesn't have a job because he is such a druggy he can't be bothered. He thinks it is a waste of time, along with sleep. His grandparents want him to get his own place, so now he has a sense of not being wanted at home. My ex and him aren't talking very much because my ex is trying to remove himself from that scene, and he has a new GF he is always with. I am sure there is more to him than that, but that is the surface information I have gathered so far.

He comes off for face value as a VERY happy and friendly guy. But to me, it is clear that he is depressed, and very discontent with life. Those type of people have the worst type of depression. The ones that no one knows is actually unhappy because they can pretend to be happy REALLY WELL! Then suddenly, they do something crazy like commit suicide, and everyone is like "he was such a happy guy," "I had no idea that he was so unhappy" etc. etc.

As for the "love" thing; that is the least of my concerns at the moment. I didn't take that seriously at all, and if that is how he really feels, then it will go unmentioned until he brings it up. I think he is a great guy, and if he could straighten his life out, I would CONSIDER dating him, but right now, there is no way. I am not getting myself mixed up with another drug addict. So that isn't my worry right now.

Of course I want to be there for him to help him out, but I really don't think I am in the position to tell him that he has a problem, and that he needs bigger help than anything I can offer. I have spoken to one of his friends, and they agree that he isn't doing all too well. However, when they have mentioned it to him, he brushes it off and acts like nothing is wrong (classic case of denial...)

I am not the type of person to turn my back on someone when they are reaching out to me for help. If he calls me again when he is messed up, I will stay with him, but this can't become a routine. If it does, I'm not sure how I will handle it from there.

Should I just forget about it? Should I stop worrying? Do I say something and overstep my right to butt in? Do I talk to more of his friends? What do I do?! I want to help him, but I don't know how

from personal experience, I can tell you that it is absolutely possible to drop E and have a shitty time and even become somewhat withdrawn and depressed during the high. it depends on your state of mind before you take the drug..like if you’re having a bad day, or even if you suffer from a bit of depression, then it could have the reverse effect. that’s probably what it was. and mixing it with alcohol isn’t smart either.

*edit* that mainly happens also if you abuse E and take it too often...it just starts to not hit you the way it used to and you feel shitty instead of that euphoric high you used to get...

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Originally posted by Slylee from personal experience, I can tell you that it is absolutely possible to drop E and have a shitty time and even become somewhat withdrawn and depressed during the high. it depends on your state of mind before you take the drug..like if you’re having a bad day, or even if you suffer from a bit of depression, then it could have the reverse effect. that’s probably what it was. and mixing it with alcohol isn’t smart either. *edit* that mainly happens also if you abuse E and take it too often...it just starts to not hit you the way it used to and you feel shitty instead of that euphoric high you used to get...

Agreed. State of mind when you enter the roll effects everything. I haven't had a problem because I can control it, but some cannot. If he's already depressed and drinking(alcohol being a depressant), he probably started reflecting on his shitty life. If you don't have very strong ties to him, I would avoid him. If you feel the necessity, out of the goodness of your heart, talk to him and express the changes that need to be made. I would do that for someone I care about, but some virtually random guy like that, I would avoid. Program his number in your phone and avoid the calls. He is, hopefully, not going to commit suicide, but, in reality, you can't control it. Is it worth become involved and watching someone self destruct? I had a friend just tell me that he overdosed on coke and less than a teener. I don't know anything from experience, but I had been telling him to drop it the whole time. Now he finally understands, and won't do it anymore. Worst part is that he was hiding it from me. Then he told me he still wants to try K. I don't know much about it, but told him he probably should take his last experience as a warning and cut all that shit out. And don't get me wrong, I'm not judging him at all, and I've made a lot of mistakes. Until 5 days ago I was smoking pot everyday, without taking more than a day or two off, for like 6-10 months straight. I finally am starting to realize that it's not worth it. Not to say pot is as dangerous as more hardcore drugs, but it demotivates me and I needed to stop. I will also take his scenario as a learning experience. Even more reason for me to never try coke, not that I judge anyone for deciding to, I'm just afraid I would overdo it.

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I was too fucked up on pills once, it's not a pleasant experience.

also, there's this thing called shudder vision where you can't focus on shit (your eyeballs are practically vibrating back and forth) and your mind is going in a gazillion ways and it's hard to even think or talk...obviously it's not like acid, but i mean, you definitely start to "trip out" a little when u take too many pills.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer Agreed. State of mind when you enter the roll effects everything. If he's already depressed and drinking(alcohol being a depressant), he probably started reflecting on his shitty life. If you don't have very strong ties to him, I would avoid him. If you feel the necessity, out of the goodness of your heart, talk to him and express the changes that need to be made. I would do that for someone I care about, but some virtually random guy like that, I would avoid. Program his number in your phone and avoid the calls. He is, hopefully, not going to commit suicide, but, in reality, you can't control it. Is it worth become involved and watching someone self destruct?

You have a point there; but is it true that I can't help? Is there anything I can do that may help him?

A part of me is saying "run!!! Get out of this as fast as you can! You don't need to deal with this; it isn't your problem." But the other part of me is like, "if it was me, I would want people to be there for me. He is a really great guy underneathe it all, and I would like to be friends with him. If I know there is something wrong, isn't it my duty as a human being to help him?"

I am torn with it. But in all truth, I know myself well enough to know that I will help him. How is the question. Do I just keep myself here for him to talk to, or do I bring his problem up? How do I mention it without over stepping bounderies?

This was a large reason why I am no longer involved with my ex. He got caught up in all of this, and it was very hard for me to deal with. Especially considering I began to get caught up in it as well.

In my opinion, drugs can be horribly destructive. I don't regret having my druggy days, as I have learned and experienced a lot, but I am so grateful that I am not involved with it anymore. People tend to lose sight of the limit. Once or twice every once in a blue moon just for fun, whatever. But every weekend to get as fucked out of your head, and as far away from reality as possible is a problem. Especially when people use it as a way to step out of their lives. No good.

P.S. Thanks to all who have been responding I really appreciate it

hmmm...well. maybe it was just an isolated incident? perhaps hold off bringing it up unless it becomes a habit and then if he chooses you as the person to bear this then i think you have the right to confront him about it. maybe get his friends with you to talk to him if that makes it easier. that's probably what i would do.

Fluttervision.

I've had it happen a little. A friend of mine gets it all crazy. I seem to have a natural tolerance for drugs and alcohol. I'm always the driver when I roll and, usually, babysit my friends if they are too fucked up. The most I ever took was 5 and it was one at a time for about a 12 hour period. Other than that it was usually 1-3. I actually got roofied and a party called Caffeine we have every year, and I remember the night. I got all sweaty and dehydrated and had no energy, but I didn't black out. I had also had a pretty good dose of pot brownie and about 4 vodka red bulls too(not that that is a lot, but I knew the bartender so they were stiff, and the combination is a lot). It's weird, I've only blacked out twice. The time after rolling when I had taken 3 and half ills, smoked weed, taken an ephidrine, smoked about a pack and a half of cigarettes, and drank 9 beers(which put me over the top). The other time was my 21st and I had 18 shots in an hour and a half. This sounds really bad, I'm sure, and it is. That's why I won't do coke. I have learned to moderate myself and I don't go all crazy anymore. My 21st really taught me my limits on shots. I hardly drink them anymore, and when I do I won't drink too many. I'm just over getting all crazy fucked up. I've already had my experiences and there comes a time when you have to grow up. I am 25 after all. Anyway, if you are going to try and help him, you should be very direct, but not offensive. Approach him as a concerned friend and make sure you don't come off as judgemental. That will only put him on the defensive. It's a tough situation and I would have to be involved to fully understand the best route to helping him. Anyway, I hope this helps some.

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