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Originally posted by djdustx Trance isnt a minor league in music production If u want something simple to create...make Rap/Hip Hop 4/4 kicks a couple of snares some electro/fx sounds and lyrics talking about ur babys momaz asking for child support...and the 'PoPo' after you. or u can be on the better side of rap/Hip hop and be like talib kwali (sure thats wrong spelling) and slum village...there damn good Sebastiano

lol

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Trance is Very very Complicated due to the fact you have to bring out that atmosphere in the track, Unlike house or techno which is usually percussion and bass driven.. Trance has those elements in it that brings out a vibe.

the only thing that separates house from trance is what it is musically derived from. house and deep house are based on jazz, funk and soul and it comes across in the way house music is written. it is not any more or less complicated than trance. its just a different way of writing music. techno similarly evolves from a different set of musical influences. house basslines tend to be less cluttered than more recent trance ones and usually are slower with more variation in note lengths and how long particular notes sustain or bend for which contributes to its funky kind of feel. trance basslines these days tend to be very pattern based and tend to be more like several tapped rhythyms spanning an octave. this creates a kind of constant rolling feel. if trance does have musical roots however it probably comes from indian ethnic, ambient and classical.

a you can make many different trance basslines just by experimenting with this idea. for instance...

K--- K--- K--- K---
--B- --B- --B- --B-
-b-b b-b- -b-b b-b-

where

K = kick drum
B = root note bass (quite subby, punchy but clean)
b = bass fill (less subby, slightly more midrange so its audible)

and another mid range/high bass at 16ths going like

xCcx CcxC cCCx cCCC

where

C = root note of bassline
c = root note of bassline 1 octave lower
x = 1 full note lower than root note of bassline

remember to lower the velocity of bass notes that hit at the same time as the kicks. altering the velocity or swing of each one of these sections can alter the way the bassline appears to roll. experiment and see what you come up with.

also note that the more layers you add, the more frequencies are going to overlap. this is normal but if you whack on too many bass layers and dont EQ them properly it can sound muddy. therefore, and broadly speaking, the more layers you have, the harder it is to keep your track tightly produced. also and finally, if your basslines are sounding a bit dud, adding more bass layers wont necessarily make it better. sometimes its good to have a clean, simple, driving bass in there and it can work in certain situations (certain times of funky and deep house music can do this to incredible effect)

Last edited by Derivative on Nov-10-2004 at 19:50

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Originally posted by Derivative the only thing that separates house from trance is what it is musically derived from. house and deep house are based on jazz, funk and soul and it comes across in the way house music is written. it is not any more or less complicated than trance. its just a different way of writing music. techno similarly evolves from a different set of musical influences. house basslines tend to be less cluttered than more recent trance ones and usually are slower with more variation in note lengths and how long particular notes sustain or bend for which contributes to its funky kind of feel. trance basslines these days tend to be very pattern based and tend to be more like several tapped rhythyms spanning an octave. this creates a kind of constant rolling feel. if trance does have musical roots however it probably comes from indian ethnic, ambient and classical. a you can make many different trance basslines just by experimenting with this idea. for instance... K--- K--- K--- K--- --B- --B- --B- --B- -b-b b-b- -b-b b-b- where K = kick drum B = root note bass (quite subby, punchy but clean) b = bass fill (less subby, slightly more midrange so its audible) and another mid range/high bass at 16ths going like xCcx CcxC cCCx cCCC where C = root note of bassline c = root note of bassline 1 octave lower x = 1 full note lower than root note of bassline remember to lower the velocity of bass notes that hit at the same time as the kicks. altering the velocity or swing of each one of these sections can alter the way the bassline appears to roll. experiment and see what you come up with. also note that the more layers you add, the more frequencies are going to overlap. this is normal but if you whack on too many bass layers and dont EQ them properly it can sound muddy. therefore, and broadly speaking, the more layers you have, the harder it is to keep your track tightly produced. also and finally, if your basslines are sounding a bit dud, adding more bass layers wont necessarily make it better. sometimes its good to have a clean, simple, driving bass in there and it can work in certain situations (certain times of funky and deep house music can do this to incredible effect)

anychance of putting a midi of it online?

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Originally posted by BIKKEL anychance of putting a midi of it online?

No offense, but those are very detailed instructions and if you can't follow that, then....

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Originally posted by Scottaculous No offense, but those are very detailed instructions and if you can't follow that, then....

then...i will get a midi

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Originally posted by BIKKEL then...i will get a midi

Haha, if yuo really want a midi file of that. I'll make one for ya.

dude how can you need a midi for it? you've got all the notes there! i told you where to place them. unless you want a specific working example with all the bass timbres fitting + effects and EQed. but thats a bit lazy isnt it? c'mon - half the fun of producing is sitting down with an instrument and twiddling. and its more satisfying knowing you built the instruments yourself.