Bush and his efforts against terrorism?

Come on now.

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is that too cliche' for you?

does it strike a chord of embarassment for you?

is it inaccurate?

am i the blind faithful?

by all means, lets discuss it

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Originally posted by Q5echo is that too cliche' for you? does it strike a chord of embarassment for you? is it inaccurate? am i the blind faithful? by all means, lets discuss it

It's dangerous thinking to put it all on one man. Of course, he is the head of the country but he has people around him every step of the way. The efforts by Bush are signing a couple of papers here and there to protect the country, visiting his soldiers secretly to give them support, little things like that. Nothing more.

I give more credit to a soldier because s/he is willing to die for the country. There we find the real effort. Only there.

Putting a US flag on your car window is not an effort. Yes, I did needed to use this stupid example.

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Originally posted by ierxium It's dangerous thinking to put it all on one man. Of course, he is the head of the country but he has people around him every step of the way. The efforts by Bush are signing a couple of papers here and there to protect the country, visiting his soldiers secretly to give them support, little things like that. Nothing more.

of course it is not the efforts of one man, and i didn't mean it to come across that way. i think that we could argue the same points.

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From the Transition, the President and his national security team understood the seriousness of the al-Qai’da threat. Since he took office President Bush has received a daily intelligence briefing directly from the CIA Director – including on terrorist threats to our Nation. In response to Dr. Rice’s request for new initiatives, NSC’s counterterrorism staff presented in the first week of the Administration a status report on actions being taken against al-Qai’da under existing policy and issues left unresolved by the prior Administration. The Bush Administration vigorously pursued the existing policy. But the President wasn’t satisfied. The President wanted to toughen the inherited ideas for “rolling back” al-Qai’da and to pursue instead a comprehensive strategy to eliminate al-Qai’da. Even as a more ambitious and comprehensive strategy was being developed, the Bush Administration vigorously pursued all existing actions against al-Qai’da and, separately from the strategy development, pursued discrete proposals that were unfinished or undecided from the Clinton Administration. The White House moved forward with additional aid for Uzbekistan; enhanced efforts to convince Pakistan to cooperate against al-Qai’da and its Taliban supporters in Afghanistan; pushed arming the Predator; supported the proposed anti-terrorist financing initiative; and decided to increased funding for covert action efforts against al-Qai’da. This comprehensive new strategy used all elements of American power – military, intelligence, diplomatic, financial – to dramatically escalate US anti-al-Qai’da efforts. This strategy called for military plans targeting al-Qai’da and Taliban, including their ground forces. It was the first major policy directive on national security presented to President Bush -- before Iraq, missile defense, and other important issues NSC Principals talked daily, the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG) in the White House went on full alert, and although the threat reporting pointed to attacks overseas, the White House directed steps to protect the homeland. During the Summer of 2001, FAA and FBI issued numerous terrorist threat warnings, including a warning about “the potential for a terrorist operation, such as an airline hijacking to free terrorists incarcerated in the United States.” Security at federal buildings also were reviewed for vulnerabilities. Overseas, we disrupted terrorist cells worldwide, significantly increased security at embassies, directed US Naval vessels to leave high-risk ports in the Middle East, and heightened security at military facilities.

these are the efforts of an administration in the months after 911, not to mention the policies put forth regarding Iraq. that administration is clearly led by one man but by no means alone in his ideology.

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Originally posted by Q5echo of course it is not the efforts of one man, and i didn't mean it to come across that way. i think that we could argue the same points. these are the efforts of an administration in the months after 911, not to mention the policies put forth regarding Iraq. that administration is clearly led by one man but by no means alone in his ideology.

It's just a shame that he either didn't examine or take his PDB's more seriously in the month or so preceding 9/11.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...fing/index.html

Following is the text of the "President's Daily Brief" for Aug. 6, 2001, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," as provided by the White House. Omitted material is indicated by ellipses.

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Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate bin Laden since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the U.S. Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America." After U.S. missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, bin Laden told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a . . . service. An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (E.I.J.) operative told an . . . service at the same time that bin Laden was planning to exploit the operative's access to the U.S. to mount a terrorist strike. The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of bin Laden's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the U.S. Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the F.B.I. that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that bin Laden lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own U.S. attack. Ressam says bin Laden was aware of the Los Angeles operation. Although bin Laden has not succeeded, his attacks against the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Laden associates surveilled our embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997. Al Qaeda members — including some who are U.S. citizens — have resided in or traveled to the U.S. for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks. Two Al Qaeda members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were U.S. citizens, and a senior E.I.J. member lived in California in the mid-1990's. A clandestine source said in 1998 that a bin Laden cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks. We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a . . . service in 1998 saying that bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Sheik" Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists. Nevertheless, F.B.I. information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York. The F.B.I. is conducting approximately 70 full field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. C.I.A. and the F.B.I. are investigating a call to our embassy in the U.A.E. in May saying that a group of bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.

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Originally posted by Q5echo Following is the text of the "President's Daily Brief" for Aug. 6, 2001, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," as provided by the White House. Omitted material is indicated by ellipses.

ellipsis (...)

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Originally posted by Trancer-X ellipsis (...)

typical, but if thats what you think then so be it.

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Originally posted by Q5echo typical, but if thats what you think then so be it.

NPR Morning Edition - September 11th, 2001

try that one ^^^

Last edited by Trancer-X on Sep-12-2004 at 01:49

okay, a radio show? sounds like it may have been the day of, or days following 911? thats really all i got from it. honestly, it doesn't mean anything. don't know who it was. or when. there is no context for it.

what are we to make of your contribution here Trancer-X?

Last edited by Q5echo on Sep-12-2004 at 01:55

after doing some research on David Welna's report that morning of 9/11 in D.C. i have come to the conclusion that you have (not suprisingly) fallen into the conspiracy hole on that one Trancer-X.

shame.

what have you expected to happen all this time that exerpt of Welna's report has been out there?




nothing! thats what you should have expected.