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Originally posted by Tegu But Vash, what about having to mod/tune the super OEMs to get rid of that problem you were talking about? A brand new American Audio will run about the same price as a used 1200 M3D. But then, that thing you mentioned bothers me...

That's not really a mod. It's simply the armbearing that isn't correctly adjusted (so far every brand but technics can't properly adjust the armbearing on delivery). Your dealer can probably adjust this for you.

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Originally posted by DjVash ALL SL-1200's have the SAME arm

m5g has a different pivot section on the arm, i.e. its all metal and not plastic. along with the extra downforce weight on the headshell (for lighter carts) and an extra tonearm weight (for heavier carts). but yeah thats pretty useless as there arn't many carts that need them...

but yeah, techs are way too expensive for what they are, have a good look around before wasting your money so hastily

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Originally posted by tu_face m5g has a different pivot section on the arm, i.e. its all metal and not plastic. along with the extra downforce weight on the headshell (for lighter carts) and an extra tonearm weight (for heavier carts). but yeah thats pretty useless as there arn't many carts that need them... but yeah, techs are way too expensive for what they are, have a good look around before wasting your money so hastily

Really? I should order a new M5G then and examine... (they don't sell that good around here, best selling turntables are the super OEM's...)

And I REALLY don't see the use of an extra weight on the headshell. You can do the SAME THING with the contraweight.

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Originally posted by DjVash And I REALLY don't see the use of an extra weight on the headshell. You can do the SAME THING with the contraweight.

and it seems a bit daft that they supply extra weights for both the headshell, and the counter-weight (theres one to screw on to the end of the tonearm, i think its 4g).... i suppose it entirely rules out the chance of a cart not getting enough/getting too much weight, but i agree its a bit useless and probably adds £10 to the cost.

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Woei tnx guys .. keep the comment coming

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Originally posted by tu_face and it seems a bit daft that they supply extra weights for both the headshell, and the counter-weight (theres one to screw on to the end of the tonearm, i think its 4g).... i suppose it entirely rules out the chance of a cart not getting enough/getting too much weight, but i agree its a bit useless and probably adds £10 to the cost.

EXACTLY! Although it's probably a bit more than that... the difference between the MK2 and MK3 was the white led (wow! 20 years of research for a white LED!), protected power button and a shitty weight on the headshell. That's not worth 100 euro's extra I believe.

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indeed i dont need all the crap on it .. because alot of it you wont use

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Originally posted by DjVash EXACTLY! Although it's probably a bit more than that... the difference between the MK2 and MK3 was the white led (wow! 20 years of research for a white LED!), protected power button and a shitty weight on the headshell. That's not worth 100 euro's extra I believe.

this is what gets my goat about technics. why they bother making a new model for these shit updates is beyond me (apart from the obvious $ factor). the only advancement that i can see as being worth it is the mk3 - m5g step (ignore mk5's, they are basically m3d's) with the blue lights, +/-16% pitch range and new pivot section (not to forget the spangly finish). well over-priced too, but i still bought one.. plastic pays

the funny thing is, i STILL prefer my pdx2000's over the m5g. i have always preferred them but until now i couldn't get a direct comparison (as in using both at once). i just like the way the vestax reacts to manipulation. i find the technics require a softly-softly approach (which i find annoying when i am trying to do things quickly) where-as with the vestax, because the platter is screwed down it's a lot less faffing around, and getting the thing to the desired cue point is much easier as you can spin the thing so fast without it coming close to skipping. then there is ultrapitch. on an m5g, +/-16% is ok, but its not precise and you have to be very careful with the movements, but with the vestax, you still have +/-10% pitch range on the main fader, it just alters the point which it's at when the main fader is in the middle. same precision at +50% as it has at +1%, this is a thing that no other manufacturer puts in their decks and i really don't see why. whats the point of having +/-25% or whatever still over a 100mm fader..?

all that for £175 less

and if you're bothered about straight arms, look at the new vestax decks, they have 'J' arms, looks like the best of both worlds

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