haha the bush bashers are out in force this evening

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Originally posted by Massive84 SOMEONE ENLIGHTEN ME How the fuck can iraq be a danger to the USA, since a scud missle can't even reach spain or france.

all countries in that region, not just Iraq, deserve better than what they have had to deal with in terms of dealing with Saddam and his sons. Jordan is a better place for it now. Israel is abetter place for it. even Iran.

i'm not saying there is not more that needs to be done but without Saddam's influence, the greater middle east has one less problem to deal with towards the goal of moderation. these goals reach well past this adminitration and well into the next generation.

it is hard to see a goal like that given the middle east's past no matter how far in the future you look. but i think if you look far enough and have the true will of all free peoples of the world working together, it's an inevitability.

no men but the extremist want to die for something like this. thats why it hurts so much. thats why this is so difficult.

but the moderate Muslim needs to be put in a position to tell his fellow Muslims that this is madness. it has to stop. the gold thats beneath their feet will not last forever. it will only be there long enough to cement their place in history for the next generation that will not have it to live in peace later.

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Originally posted by Q5echo all countries in that region, not just Iraq, deserve better than what they have had to deal with in terms of dealing with Saddam and his sons. Jordan is a better place for it now. Israel is abetter place for it. even Iran.

Cool something to discuss

well you mention Iran, i find this funny, since the war on Iran was funded by the US.

Now the US it self wants to strike Iran, and they claim they have Nuclear bombs.

So who is the bigger danger? Bush ? or Saddam?

sorry in my books, Nuclear pwns Chemical

Every nation near Isreal is a danger, Isreal just asking for this.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it is hard to see a goal like that given the middle east's past no matter how far in the future you look. but i think if you look far enough and have the true will of all free peoples of the world working together, it's an inevitability.

As much as i want to see this happen like you, i think it wont happen if the term "money" stays. The world is not divided fairly and the ones that have more money have more power. but who knowns right?

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Originally posted by Q5echo but the moderate Muslim needs to be put in a position to tell his fellow Muslims that this is madness. it has to stop. the gold thats beneath their feet will not last forever. it will only be there long enough to cement their place in history for the next generation that will not have it to live in peace later.

I agree, but few things must be solved first before you see this happening, you know for example. In Isreal if a muslim says hey stop the hatred, the other will just reply, Israel killed my child so no thanks. and this mite go for Iraq as well now?

Hey Nell, why shouldn't we bash Bush?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil haha the bush bashers are out in force this evening

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Originally posted by Trancer-X

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAH look at him!!! lmao

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Originally posted by Trancer-X

Iraq's just a box a chocolates
Hey even Forrest Gump served, as opposed to the chickenhawk G.W. Bush who was busy doing who knows what, National Guard my fanny. I wouldn't term any criticism of Bush in the current atmosphere as bashing, simply seeing an idiot for what it is. Take heed though my fellow American's he may yet be re-elected in November and we can continue down the path of war, excessive spending through our asses, low wage job creations, oh and we will still be pursuing peace and democracy neocon style in Iraq, with the blood of young Americans. All in all he is doing a marvelous job for our nation though 4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years, for what I wonder, to finally bring that Mission Accomplished to fruition, to bring the very elusive peace and security that was promised before the War, to give Halliburton more contracts,

We are in the middle of a shitstorm in Iraq, too bad the American public is so badly informed of events on the ground through the national media and heaven forbid the local media, its times like these I am glad I have the internet that allows me to see many viewpoints of Iraq and not just Faux news and its Oil for Food scandal reports.

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thinking that Kerry will magically fix all the world's problems is being a bit naive as well.

How will Kerry fix Iraq?

How will Kerry solve the worlds problems?

How will Kerry fix our medicare system?

Will Kerry raise our taxes even higher?

How will Kerry magically end the deficit?

How will Kerry fix the trade gabs that have plagued us?

How will he fix our energy crisis?

How will he bring jobs back to America vs. being shipped overseas?

How will he win the war on terror?

this is just the tip of the iceberg. As much as Bush is hated I haven't seen any concrete ways of solving any problems from Kerry's mouth. He talks an awful lot about how bad Bush is or has been but to offer no solutions just doesn't make him a viable candidate from what I see.

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Originally posted by Massive84 Cool something to discuss well you mention Iran, i find this funny, since the war on Iran was funded by the US. Now the US it self wants to strike Iran, and they claim they have Nuclear bombs. So who is the bigger danger? Bush ? or Saddam? sorry in my books, Nuclear pwns Chemical Every nation near Isreal is a danger, Isreal just asking for this.

Israel, Jordan and Iran were random examples of countries benefitting from the removal of Saddam.

we have been fighting Iran officialy since 1979. no one doubts the core of Islamic fundamentalism (the fundamentalism we are at struggle with today) exists in that country. and i don't think any educated person denies that we have a justified beef alone with that country. hence Saddam Hussein. we supported his efforts along with many others, in putting Iran country in its place. did it work? yes and no. but is evidenced in the position they are in now. unchecked or an isolationist attitude towards them in the crucial early years of the Ayatollah i think would have put us in a serious situation much earlier and would have distracted the world from a Europe we enjoy today.

the perspective i describe is of the people's not the mullahs'.

you seem to be under the assumption that the U.S. about to forego all of the current diplomatic efforts enabled by France, Germany, and Britain and re-establish the Bush Doctrine again. there have been absolutely no indications of that and to me that does not make sense right now barring a catastrophe. so its obvious that Bush is safer.

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As much as i want to see this happen like you, i think it wont happen if the term "money" stays. The world is not divided fairly and the ones that have more money have more power. but who knowns right?

free people realize their potential more readily. Iraq has more potential than all Muslem countries. time and extremism are their only obstacles. my country is responsible for that. that is something i am not ashamed of, i don't think any American should be. imagine if all free people weren't.

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Originally posted by Massive84 well you mention Iran, i find this funny, since the war on Iran was funded by the US.

Saddam had more than enough means to fund his own war. those were French and Waraw Pact machines he used on the battlefield.

to be honest, we provided more weapons to Iran than Iraq. in addition to false intelligence and a myriad of other dis-information.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil As much as Bush is hated I haven't seen any concrete ways of solving any problems from Kerry's mouth. He talks an awful lot about how bad Bush is or has been but to offer no solutions just doesn't make him a viable candidate from what I see.

Isn't it more of a question of preventing Bush from creating more problems? If you have to choose between two options, neither of which makes things better, at least choose the one who seems more likely not to worsen things.

I don't deny Bush is "slow" to react but that's not the whole issue. If Bush is dumb, then so is a large amount of people who voted for him close to 4 years ago. It's only a premise, not an insult.

It is known that a person in power will never be honest to his people, it's an unwritten requisite. Interviewers(those who actually take their job seriously) know that. Presidents will only give you a cordial smile and the words you want to hear, similar to what a teenager working at Burger King is required to do.

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Originally posted by trancaholic Isn't it more of a question of preventing Bush from creating more problems? If you have to choose between two options, neither of which makes things better, at least choose the one who seems more likely not to worsen things.

I think of it like a house.

You have bush, your current house, you've had it a very years and it has developed a few problems but the foundation isn't weak, mostly cosmetic damage. It's overall a sturdy home that has weathered some pretty large storms. He has some termites trying to ruin the structure but he is doing his best to control them without destroying the home itself even if it costs more in the long run.

Then you have Kerry, a new home that you have seen from the outside but have never been inside of and don't have an inspection on. Basically what you see is what you get and the problems that may come from it although your first house has its own problems, may be much worse.

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