Maybe I should just stay out of these baseball threads from now on. Seems like I'm either ignored or just kill the thread everytime.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Maybe I should just stay out of these baseball threads from now on. Seems like I'm either ignored or just kill the thread everytime.

Nah man. I don't know why peeps don't reply to you. You've made many valid points.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Maybe I should just stay out of these baseball threads from now on. Seems like I'm either ignored or just kill the thread everytime.

personally, i dont know how to reply to a post after flipping between this thread and the cheerleader-tainted grayarea thread. i get scared and wonder if you suffer from schizophrenia....which person is talking now? LOLS jk


many valid points...thats why i say baseball in the fall, anything can happen around Halloween!

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Originally posted by pvd420 I'm not a boston fan. but come on, any team that has gone that long without winning anything would have bitter fans....the rangers went 54 years without a stanley cup and people around here had to listen to all their whiny fans for quite a while. It's perfectly normal. im sure the cubs fans are bitter too (probably not as bad as sox fans though) for the same reason.

Finishing in 2nd place for 6 straight years and knowing very well that it's soon a 7th would make one bitter. Not winning a championship while your hated rival has won 26 during that time has to make one bitter. Finishing thisclose to beating the Yankees in the playoffs last year makes one bitter. I always say once Boston wins a championship, win 25 more then we'll start talking. It's a mentality of second rate that permeates the fans/team because they are always enjoying 2nd place. It's more comfortable to not have the pressure of always being a winner.

About the playoffs, it's always about pitching, pitching, and more pitching. Look at last year with Beckett/Pavano and with Arizona with RJ/Schilling. The Yanks this year have to hope for a winning combo of El Duque and Mussina who seems to have refound his skills once his arm is healthy. Let's hope that since he's been injured a good part of the year that he's more rested for the stretch. It's also about the bullpen and lately Paul Quantrill has been absolutely horrendous. That bridge to Gordon/Rivera scares me.

It seems with Oakland and Minnesota that they freeze a little bit during the playoffs. They don't seem to go for the jugular and lack that Derek Jeter quality to come up with that one big play when it's needed. I would be surprised if it doesn't come down to Boston/NY again.

The one thing about Pedro is that it's beginning to look as though the Yankees have him figured out. They tended to in the past to just wear him down and get a couple in the late innings a la Game 7 LY but now they are attacking more. I think the Yankees, with A-Rod and Sheffield, are better suited to face Boston's pitching than LY. Plus other good power pitchers don't dominate them as much anymore because both of those guys thrive on fastballs.

Boston and 2nd place. It's like Christmas.. it happens every year.

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It's just bad luck on Boston's part. They have had better teams then the Yankees (this year being one of them), but they just can't seem to translate it into victories. Also... are you just completely ignoring the 80's and early 90's when the Yankees sucked and did not finish in first place? Seems all Yankee fans only talk about '96 and forward. I can't wait till the Devil Rays realize their potential and start owning the Sox and Yankees and win the division. You heard it here first...

Rocco Baldelli
Carl Crawford
BJ Upton
Delmon Young
Scott Kazmir
Jeff Neimann...

They're going to be scary in a year or two...

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the thing about prospected talent is dependant upon the "gel" of a team to make the talent be known. there have been sooo many prospected talents that have made it only so far and have only gotten their name recognized so much(tim salmon, kerry wood, more i just cant think of right now) that have only succeed so far but haven't had the nucleus/gel of a fortified team to actually rise above and stick out. Granted Pujols is doing it, jeter did it, a-rod did it, griffey did it etc these players all succeed to beyond prospect level and became defined players. Everyone in the world "could be" a good player, but what would a prospect do on a team that doesn't know how to play together.

i remember someone saying how the yankee's farm camp has no one in its future prospects to look at. but what they do have is a solid nucleus of players/veterans who sort of lead/inspire the team. when you play with a solid group of players, it makes that "average" joe step up his game to play along side these guys. thats what the yankees have thrived on. cmon, Jim Leyrics, Boone, Soriano, Spencer, all moved onto other average teams where their average talent doesn't shine like it did with the yankees. yes the yankees payroll is higher than anyone ever could imagine, yes its about buying players, but buying the right players who play well together is just as important as having a rotation of all RJs.

I seriously frown upon people who despise the yankees simply because their payroll is too high. its like hating the rich people. i admit there are some untasteful decisions steinz makes and his attitude isnt the most publicly acceptable, but he's doing something right. If it was true that all he did was buy players, then its like 10 jose canseco's who dont know how to play together....get my drift?

point being, farmed players, prospects are all intended to prove themselves when they come into the MLB. And its up to them to do so, but coming into a team with a bunch of players who dont know how to play together, is moot. same way for having a whole bunch of great players who dont know how to play together...doesn't do much.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 It's just bad luck on Boston's part. They have had better teams then the Yankees (this year being one of them), but they just can't seem to translate it into victories. Also... are you just completely ignoring the 80's and early 90's when the Yankees sucked and did not finish in first place? Seems all Yankee fans only talk about '96 and forward. I can't wait till the Devil Rays realize their potential and start owning the Sox and Yankees and win the division. You heard it here first... Rocco Baldelli Carl Crawford BJ Upton Delmon Young Scott Kazmir Jeff Neimann... They're going to be scary in a year or two...

Scary enough to surpass NY? I don't think so. If they take those young guys and add a some key veterans though trades/free agency then it's possible but not at a 23 million dollar payroll. You can do it like Oakland/Minnesota but even they have some key signings. Oakland keeps their big pitchers intact along with Eric Chavez. Even listen to Lou Piniella who sees the potential but knows they will have to spend more money to add some key veteran pieces. Not just that but to retain some of those guys from eventually jetting to the Yankees via free agency.

Bad luck? That sounds like a Boston argument. They "may" have better players but the best team comes out in the end. We're talking about a 162 game schedule, the luck (bad calls or whatever you want to say) evens out. I don't agree that being 4 1/2 games out at this time of the year says that Boston has had worse luck and that they are the better team. How about having Kevin Brown, Jason Giambi, Mike Mussina on the disabled list for most of the year. You can call that bad luck.

Ignoring the 80's? Did Boston ever win a championship in the 80's/90's. I remember those Yankee teams and they won 97 games one year (I think 1987 to Toronto) but finished in 2nd place. There wasn't a wild card back then. 1994 the Yankees would have finished in first too but the lockout happened. Having Dave Winfield, Rickey Henderson, Don Mattingly, etc. didn't suck. What sucked was having Dave LaPoint, Andy Hawkins, Pasqual Perez as your starters.

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According to most Baseball Prospectus stats, Boston is the better team this year. The most basic of which is Runs Allowed and Runs scored in which Boston is worse then their record should be and the Yankees are better than their record should be.

As for Brian... The Yankees do have no prospects. And that IS a big deal. Mariano, Posada, Jeter, Williams, Pettitte, and Soriano were all home grown Yankee players. 4 of those guys are still the core of this team. And they are only getting older. Their farm is filled with overhyped prospects such as Dioner Navarro and Robinson Cano. Looking at their stats this year, they are terrible. Until George realizes what he's doing, your team is going to be exactly what you said... 10 Jose Canseco's. I dunno... maybe I'm crazy and I'm the only one that doesn't like a team filled with superstar Free Agents and huge trades... but I do know that this Yankee team is a far cry from the '96 - '00 team. Those teams were filled with young superstars and then puzzle pieces that melded together. This team looks NOTHING like that...

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when it comes to boston redsox n yankees and who will win if they do play i am gonna say boston cuz i live in boston ... hehehe ... but no for serious argument you have to say damn these yankees they r very good and they always seem to win so i wouldnt be suprised if they pull out one more game 7 out of their ass and beat the soxs .... another nightmare for redsox nation .... i guess we can say and have our prediction as much as we want but well just have to wait and hope and see .... three game series in boston coming up should be good

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going back to the point made about why boston fans (and non yankee fans) hate the yankees so much is that a good portion of the NY fans make the die hard fans look bad. there are way too many retards that dont know shit about the time period when the yankees didnt win any championships, and then all of a sudden fans come out of the woodwork after 1996. the same thing happened with the lakers. it's just plain annoying to see.

what also bothers me is the yankee fans i saw literally crying after they lost in 2002 to the Angels. I mean hello....your team just won 4 championships in the last 6 years. why not appreciate what your team has just done instead of crying over not winning every year. try going as long as the cubs and sox fans have without a world series victory and then maybe you would appreciate the recent victories that you have been alive to witness.

again it's not all yankee fans, just the ones that have jumped on the bandwagon in recent times....

i know plenty of yankees fans that hate boston just as much... especially the players. most yankees fans despise manny ramirez, david ortiz, pedro martinez, jason varitek, etc. and the excuse that "they always kill the yankees" is so stupid. i mean, chipper jones is .370, 50 homers and something like 200 rbi in his career against the mets (and that he hasn't even played a full 162 games against us yet... that's a hell of a season) and i dont hate him. i just never understood yankee or red sox fans. both sides think the other teams fans are worse and argue over who has the worse fans. i've been to yankee stadium. and i know that i would not be caught dead wearing a red sox cap there, especially if the sox weren't playing. i've also been to boston (and it may have been a quiet night), but i saw a few guys wearing yankees shirts walking around, drunk, and no one was saying anything to them aside from a few hearty heckles. i just think both teams fans are stupid (in general, not all) and really need to relax about it.

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and so, to feel like that?
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Originally posted by pvd420 going back to the point made about why boston fans (and non yankee fans) hate the yankees so much is that a good portion of the NY fans make the die hard fans look bad. there are way too many retards that dont know shit about the time period when the yankees didnt win any championships, and then all of a sudden fans come out of the woodwork after 1996. the same thing happened with the lakers. it's just plain annoying to see. what also bothers me is the yankee fans i saw literally crying after they lost in 2002 to the Angels. I mean hello....your team just won 4 championships in the last 6 years. why not appreciate what your team has just done instead of crying over not winning every year. try going as long as the cubs and sox fans have without a world series victory and then maybe you would appreciate the recent victories that you have been alive to witness. again it's not all yankee fans, just the ones that have jumped on the bandwagon in recent times....

I've been a Yankee fan since 1983 when I first could remember anything. I am not even from New York, I was raised in Oregon but my dad loved them and passed it on to me. Being a fan that long put me through the many 2nd place finishes of the 80's and even the worst record in the majors in 1990 (I remember when Andy Hawkins pitched a no-hitter but they committed 4 errors and lost). 1995 was the only time that I really felt a loss when the Mariners beat them and it was Don Mattingly's last game (why I hate the Mariners as much as Boston). 1996 was awesome and will always be the most special since now if the Yankees do win, it's like "of course, look at that payroll... they are expected to win."

Not growing up in New York makes me different because I never developed any hatred to Boston except for the fact that they are the Yankees rivals. For me, it's just good natured ribbing but not the vicious stuff that goes on at the stadium, etc. People in NYC are more vicious in general anyway!! Crying for losing to Anaheim? That's pathetic.

As a fan, it's always more satisfying to rise from the depths and secure a championship. My favorite football team is the St. Louis Rams and before they won the 1999 Super Bowl, they had lost the most games of the entire decade. The "LA Lambs" really sucked ass! But when they won.... wow... that was sweet.

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