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I wounder who will stutter and stumble on words more.


it's been speculated that bush is dyslexic...

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it's been speculated that bush is dyslexic...


Proofs.

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What seems fishy to me is how a conservative blogger, who was revealed as a lawyer, KNEW so much about historical typing fonts and the like, and was able to report it merely 4 hrs. after the CBS 60 minutes report. You don't need to take off your tin foil hat to wonder about that:

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GOP Activist Made Allegations on CBS Memos

Sun Sep 19, 5:30 AM ET

By Peter Wallsten Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — It was the first public allegation that CBS News had used forged memos in its report questioning President Bush (news - web sites)'s Air National Guard service — a highly technical explanation posted on the Web within hours of airtime, citing proportional spacing and font styles.


But it did not come from an expert in typography or typewriter history, as some first thought. Instead, it was the work of Harry W. MacDougald, an Atlanta lawyer with strong ties to conservative Republican causes who had helped draft the petition urging the Arkansas Supreme Court to disbar President Clinton (news - web sites) after the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, the Los Angeles Times has learned.


The identity of "Buckhead" — a blogger previously known only by his screen name on the site freerepublic.com and since lifted to folk hero status in the conservative blogosphere — is likely to fuel speculation among Democrats that the effort to discredit the memos was engineered by Republicans eager to undermine reports that Bush received preferential treatment in the Texas Air National Guard more than 30 years ago.


Republican officials have denied any involvement among those attempting to debunk the CBS report.


Reached by telephone Friday, MacDougald, 46, confirmed that he was Buckhead but declined to answer questions about his political background or how he learned so much about the CBS documents so quickly.


"You can ask the questions, but I'm not going to answer them," he said. "I'm just going to stick to doing no interviews."


Until The Times identified him by piecing together information from his postings over the last two years, MacDougald had taken pains to remain in the shadows — saying the credit for challenging CBS should remain with the blogosphere as a whole and not one individual.


"Freepers collectively possess more analytical horsepower than the entire news division at CBS," he wrote in an e-mail, using the slang term for users of the freerepublic.com site.


MacDougald is a lawyer in the Atlanta office of the Winston-Salem, N.C.-based firm Womble Carlyle Sandridge & Rice and is affiliated with two prominent conservative legal groups: the Federalist Society and the Southeastern Legal Foundation, where he serves on the legal advisory board.


The foundation, created in 1976, advocates "limited government, individual economic freedom and the free-enterprise system," according to its website.


The foundation has fought affirmative action and domestic-partner benefits for government employees, and successfully challenged a Clinton administration plan to use proportional sampling to estimate population in the 2000 census, rather than making a hard count.


MacDougald helped draft the foundation's petition in 1998 that led to the five-year suspension of Clinton's Arkansas law license for giving misleading testimony in the Paula Corbin Jones sexual harassment case.


And he assisted in the group's challenge to the campaign finance law sponsored by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Russell D. Feingold (D-Wis.). The challenge, which went to the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites), was funded largely by the foundation with Sen. Mitch McConnell (news, bio, voting record) (R-Ky.), the law's chief critic, and handled by former Clinton investigator Kenneth W. Starr.


The high court upheld the law, which banned unlimited contributions from corporations to federal candidates and political parties.


MacDougald is also a Republican appointee to the Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections.


Last week he again plunged into a politically charged controversy — but this time his participation was anonymous.


Operating as Buckhead, which is also the name of an upscale Atlanta neighborhood, he wrote that the memos CBS' "60 Minutes" presented Sept. 8 as being written in the early 1970s by the late Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian were "in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman."


"The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word-processing software and personal computers," MacDougald wrote on the website. "They were not widespread until the mid- to late '90s. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid '80s used monospaced fonts.

"I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old. This should be pursued aggressively."

The late-night posting — less than four hours after the CBS report aired — resulted in a flurry of sympathetic testimonials from fellow bloggers, spreading within hours to other sites. The next day, newspapers such as The Times and the Washington Post began consulting forensic experts and reporting articles raising similar questions.

The network has insisted that the four memos, dated 1972 and 1973, had been authenticated by the network's experts and by "close associates" of Killian, who say "the documents reflect his opinions and actions at the time."

The memos showed Killian resisting pressure by a higher-up to "sugarcoat" Bush's performance evaluation and ordering Bush to undergo a physical so he could keep flying.

CBS has also cited an expert, Bill Glennon, an information technology consultant, who said IBM electric typewriters in use in 1972 could provide proportional spacing and the superscript — the small "th" — evident in the memos.

It also has sought to counter the arguments by referring to a typewriting script distributor, who says the typing style in the memos has been available since 1931. Moreover, CBS points out, some of the lettering in question was evident in Bush's military records previously released by the White House.

Still, after Killian's former secretary came forward this week to say she did not believe the memos were authentic, anchor Dan Rather and other network executives stopped asserting that they were. They said they would "redouble" efforts to resolve unanswered questions.

While bloggers and some conservative activists have hailed Buckhead as a hero in their longtime effort to paint the mainstream media as politically biased, some Democrats and even some conservative bloggers have marveled at Buckhead's detailed knowledge of the memos and wondered whether that suggested White House involvement.

Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) Chairman Terry McAuliffe speculated openly to reporters that the whole thing could have been orchestrated by White House political advisor Karl Rove. The Bush campaign called the allegation "nonsense."

The White House had access to the memos before the broadcast. CBS delivered copies to White House communications director Dan Bartlett on the morning of Sept. 8 so he could discuss them in an interview with Rather. Whether MacDougald had help reviewing the memos remains unknown.

The lawyer is an outspoken conservative and a Republican active in local politics.

"I attended a meeting on Tuesday to organize lawyers for Bush-Cheney in my state to monitor and if necessary litigate election issues," he said in a Buckhead posting last month.

Professionally, MacDougald has represented government waste whistle-blowers and challenged affirmative action laws that give racial and ethnic minorities preferences in higher education.

He is not a major contributor to political causes, having donated $250 to the Georgia Republican Party in 2002, when Ralph Reed, former director of the Christian Coalition, was chairman. Reed is now a senior strategist for the Bush campaign.

Associates of MacDougald scoff at the notion that he was doing anything but acting alone when he offered his observations about the CBS memos.

"Harry is a very strong conservative and a very passionate conservative…. So if he sees something that looks fishy, he's going to say something about it," said Lynn Hogue, a Georgia State University law professor and former executive director of the Southeastern Legal Foundation.

"When he's not absorbed with work, I think he spends the rest of his life in the wee hours of the morning on freerepublic," Hogue said. "And that's the outlet through which he shares his concerns and insights, and so rather than being a matter of conspiracy, it's just him doing what he does."


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...tionsoncbsmemos


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MisterOpus1
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Whoa, a lefty blogger put this speculation together that it was Rove all along who's behind this. I wasn't too terribly convinced until I came across the part where CBS asked the White House about the authenticity of the documents. They gave them the nod. It had an all-too familiar smell to it:
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Anatomy of a Rove Dirty Trick

Karl Rove is the man behind George W Bush's Presidency. According to William Slater, co-author of Bush's Brain, Rove realized back in 1990 that he could make Bush President, first by getting him elected governor. And so he has. Karl Rove would make his mentor, Lee Atwater, proud. Figuring out how to destroy your enemy while neutralizing his charge without leaving any traces is a Rove speciality. Yet, as all good detectives know, sometimes you find the criminal by matching the MO (modus operandi) of the crime.

Rove's MO is all over the Killian memo controversy that threatens to take down Dan Rather.

During Bush's first run against Ann Richards, Rove knew that he needed to immunize Bush against the charge of being too aggressive and unfair when going after Ann Richards. So what he did was to create an ad where Bush declared, "My opponent attacked me personally." But get this, the ad was made and distributed to TV stations around Texas before any such accusation was made. Then the campaign used numerous taunts, including a whispering campaign that asserted Ann Richards was gay or too gay friendly to encourage her to pop off against Bush. As soon as she did, the previously prepared ad was shown all over Texas and Bush was seen as the innocent victim of an unfair attack by his opponent.

Then in the 2000 election, Rove was behind the destruction of J.H. Hatfield, the author of the book, Fortunate Son, which reported about Bush's use of cocaine when he was younger. As Mike Burke reports, the method was to provide damaging information about Bush's past to someone who could be then discredited.

quote:
In 1999, St. Martin's Press published a critical biography of Bush titled "Fortunate Son". The book quoted an unnamed "high-ranking advisor to Bush," who revealed Bush's 1972 drug bust. The source told author J.H. Hatfield, Bush "was ordered by a Texas judge to perform community service in exchange for expunging his record showing illicit drug use."

Hatfield later revealed that his source was none other than Karl Rove. That might seem ridiculous, considering Rove's lifelong loyalty to the Bushes and the fact that he now has an office adjacent to Bush's in the White House. But leaking the story to Hatfield essentially discredited the story and sent it into the annals of conspiracy theory. Soon after the book was published and just as St. Martin's was preparing a high profile launching of the book, the "Dallas Morning News" ran a story revealing that Hatfield was a felon who had served time in jail. In response, St. Martin's pulled the book.

"When the media stumbled upon a story regarding George W. Bush's 1972 cocaine possession arrest, Rove had to find a way to kill the story. He did so by destroying the messenger," says Sander Hicks, the former publisher of Soft Skull, which re-published "Fortunate Son." "They knew the stories of Dubya's cocaine and drink busts would come out, so they made certain that it would come out of the mouth of a guy they could smear," said journalist Greg Palast, who wrote the forward to the final edition of the book.

If Rove was Hatfield's source, he certainly wasn't trying to expose Bush's drug use. Instead he was trying to discredit and ultimately kill the story. And it worked. Few reporters since have dared to touch the story.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributo...9/con04385.html


So let's look at the latest controversy surrounding Dan Rather. Rather has been a thorn in Bush's side for a long time. Remember, it was Dan Rather who was provided the initial Abu Ghraib photos back in April. Even though they got the documents first, CBS Sixty Minutes II held off for two weeks because of a request from the Pentagon. After Seymour Hersh was given the photos and the Taguba report, his decision to report this story pushed CBS to report on it two days before the New Yorker published the Hersh story. Rather, the reporter that broke this story on TV was now a legitimate target in Rove's war to destroy any who hurt his man. If he succeeds in bringing down Rather, think of the object lesson for other powerful mainstream journalists of what could happen if they were to try to betray Bush.

With the controversy of Bush's National Guard records raised by the Swift Boat Veteran smears, Rove found a perfect opportunity for going after Dan Rather. CBS had planned to report on the Bush National Guard story. Then before they went with their story, new documents that put some extra oomp in the story fell into their hands. However, these new documents needed to be vetted before they could be used. As the LA Times reported,

quote:
It was 11 a.m. on Sept. 8 — nine hours before "60 Minutes" was to air. But as news executives debated whether to broadcast a story on newly obtained paperwork offering fresh evidence about President Bush's National Guard service, a big question hung over CBS News' Westside headquarters: Were the photocopied documents real or fake?

Suddenly, the answer seemed to materialize, and from an unlikely source — the White House itself.

John Roberts, the network's White House correspondent, called to report he'd just completed an on-camera interview with Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director. Bartlett, it appeared, had no quarrel with the authenticity of the documents.

That was the turning point.

"If we had gotten back from the White House any kind of red flag, raised eyebrow, anything that said, 'Are you sure about this stuff?' we would have gone back to square one," Josh Howard, the program's executive producer, told the Los Angeles Times in an interview Friday. "The White House said they were authentic, and that carried a lot of weight with us."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...-home-headlines


So Sixty Minutes II went with the story using these documents. The White House released a copy of those documents to the media and Scott McClellan affirmed that the White House believed in the authenticity of those documents:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...20040915-3.html

Yet, only hours later, an anonymous blogger known as Buckhead posted at freerepublic.com that the documents were forgeries and said "this should be pursued aggressively". And so it was. And the right-wing pack of hounds was off baying for Dan Rather's blood.

Buckhead now known to be Atlanta lawyer, Harry W. MacDougald, was revealed to be a right-wing operative, who has been involved in any number of right-wing attacks, including the petition drafted in 1998 to suspend Bill Clinton's law license:

quote:
It was the first public allegation that CBS News used forged memos in its report questioning President Bush's National Guard service — a highly technical explanation posted within hours of airtime citing proportional spacing and font styles.

But it did not come from an expert in typography or typewriter history as some first thought. Instead, it was the work of Harry W. MacDougald, an Atlanta lawyer with strong ties to conservative Republican causes who helped draft the petition urging the Arkansas Supreme Court to disbar President Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the Times has found.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...-home-headlines


Mr. MacDougald also has had his dirty little fingers in the controversy over whether the electronic voting machines in Georgia are reliable (via Hullabaloo). As Digby said,

quote:
Using the new laws of journalism and truth, this is all that's needed as proof that this was a Rovian operation from the get-go. This guy is no expert on typography, and he's an extremely well connected Republican operative who has worked at the highest level of GOP legal circles. That's good enough for GOP government work.

This was a Republican dirty trick.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2004...548210350043870


I agree with Digby. Just look at the MO.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/002815.html#more

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Off with the foil hats folks, we got a real conspiracy to work with here!

***Finds Conspiracy Man superhero outfit and flies out the door***


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Yeah, well here's Dan Rather after an interview with Bush.



F*cking slant artist. CBS should fire him.


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It is so nice to see that we are focusing on such absolutely vital and tangible issues that are of such importance to the future of this great nation with the elections just over 6 weeks away. Never mind we are stuck in a war, never mind about health care policies and where the candiddates stand, never mind about the policies that the candidates possess that will help to create jobs and thereby a stronger economy for America. This is the gutter filth that tends to seep into American politics and both parties are guilty of engaging in it. I just hope that voters can see past all the smokescreens and focus on the real issues that affect Americans sadly I don't hold out much hope for that to happen. Makes me wonder what is truly important to this nation at this time.


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It is so nice to see that we are focusing on such absolutely vital and tangible issues that are of such importance to the future of this great nation with the elections just over 6 weeks away. Never mind we are stuck in a war, never mind about health care policies and where the candiddates stand, never mind about the policies that the candidates possess that will help to create jobs and thereby a stronger economy for America. This is the gutter filth that tends to seep into American politics and both parties are guilty of engaging in it. I just hope that voters can see past all the smokescreens and focus on the real issues that affect Americans sadly I don't hold out much hope for that to happen. Makes me wonder what is truly important to this nation at this time.

Righteous Indignation! makes me laugh

you Bush haters are soooooo dismissive arent you MF'er please

i was about slam MisterOpus and his tribute with liberal bias about this. but now that the truth is now out there about the source and the Kerry ties, i'll let him watch the chips fall.

your post, on the otherhand, takes the cake!

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Righteous Indignation! makes me laugh

you Bush haters are soooooo dismissive arent you MF'er please

i was about slam MisterOpus and his tribute with liberal bias about this. but now that the truth is now out there about the source and the Kerry ties, i'll let him watch the chips fall.

your post, on the otherhand, takes the cake!


I rest my case, and I am indignant, when you are finished salivating and frothing at the mouth over the CBS story can you tell me what difference it will make to the real issues that America faces, and please spare me the embarassing concept of liberal bias I am biased when it comes to Bush, that should be pretty clear by now. You have many Republicans pundits talking about charges being filed, against who might I ask. Tell you what maybe they should close down the CBS offices, take away DNC leaders in handcuffs and that will make the likes of you happy. Keep on dreaming however. CBS' action was wholly irresponsible and lacking journalistic crediblity in their investigations of this story and for that they will have to deal with the consequences.


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. Tell you what maybe they should close down the CBS offices, take away DNC leaders in handcuffs and that will make the likes of you happy.


Man, nothing would make me grin bigger than seeing Terry McCauliffe dragged away in handcuffs.

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