Kerry was able to discuss specific policies and solutions in a blunt, straight-forward manner where Bush generally failed to do so. I also think that Kerry did a good job of counteracting some of the Bush campaign's more damaging accusations (that he is an indecisive flip-flopper and a ditherer) by speaking in such a straight-forward, convicted way. Bush had some severe problems discussing and rebutting specific policies with regards to North Korea, Iraq and the war on terror more generally and - considering that this was meant to be his "strongest" debate topic - ended up on the defensive for most of the night. A successful debate here would have just about ended the Kerry campaign, but Bush failed to land any significant blows and I doubt that America's impression of Bush and a strong and decisive leader (considering the blows that Kerry was able to land about Bush's failure to adequately defend the US and Bush's constant - but characteristic - "umming", "ahhing" and dithering on key points) will be held quite so unquestioningly after this debate.

I just hope that there were a lot of undecided voters out there watching the debate tonight because Kerry really was able to undermine some of Bush's key policy platforms while elucidating his own platform (for the first time in a lot of ways) strongly, decisively and concisely. 1-0 to Kerry.

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Did one of these two guys say "...lead the world..." at any moment in the debate or was I not paying close attention?

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this also gave me a long chuckle

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Originally posted by ierxium Did one of these two guys say "...lead the world..." at any moment in the debate or was I not paying close attention?

I believe Kerry did in his opening and closing remarks.


I was reading in the NY Times yesterday on the op-ed page a letter from Al Gore basically telling Kerry what he needs to do to debate Bush. Considering, at least in my opinion, that the questions were heavily formulated against Bush's policies and that Kerry remained confident, I look back on that article and I don't see a thing Kerry missed. Bravo!

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Originally posted by Galapidate "we can't give them mixed messages, that we're in the wrong war, wrong place wrong time."

Typical Bush/Rove ploy though. Just take a half-truth, run with it, repeat it at every opportunity and just hope that, eventually, it sticks. If you can give the public your message condensed into pithy soundbites, repeated ad nauseum then this form of indoctrination replaces the need to have to actually discuss specific policy where possible. Once again it's cynical, it's lowest common-denominator politics but it works and damned if it isn't the GOP through and through.

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It was a sad, almost rehearsed, debate. I was bored to death. The stupid comments here and there kept me awake though.

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I watched it carefully, and I think that American people that didnt know much about Kerry, just from the Flip Flop comments and etc.. I think people will change their mind after this debate. Bush seemed nervous, too hesitate, and.. you could see him sort of angry.. Kerry did pretty good, just what he needed. Overall, a great debate.

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bah wtf this come from?

just as I make my own poll because I don't see one here... this comes out of no where!

geez, I'm getting blind sided all over today

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overall kerry had a stronger debate... i felt that bush never answered non of the questions he always brought up the same thing over and over again like someone that didnt know what to say so bring the same thing up over and over that was something kerry had agaist him.

I had to miss it due to travel arrangements, but I'm looking up a transcript as soon as I'm done browsing TA. Still, it's not the same as watching it.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I had to miss it due to travel arrangements, but I'm looking up a transcript as soon as I'm done browsing TA. Still, it's not the same as watching it.

Ya much the pundit critique on Bush was in his "body language" and mannerism/reaction when Kerry was speaking.

Bah, what am I doing.... MY THREAD MY THREAD!!!..
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=212032

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