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Originally posted by tecnolover There even christian muslims.

Can you prove this - give me a link? It seems to be impossible by the very definitions of the two words.

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Originally posted by tecnolover I never said muslims did I? You assumed that. I said Islam. There are many muslims who do not strongly believe in Islam or in other words are not Islamic fundamentalists. There even christian muslims. Those who are Islamic and understand and truly follow the faith are by their very religion against christians and want them destroyed. All 'western' cultures actually. And technically everyone who does not believe in Islam even other muslims. What a nice peaceful religion eh? Btw-I am not a war monger and this isn't bullshit. You need to study Islam and learn for yourself what their religion is about. Their religion pits them against us. Ours didn't pit us against them. So many people in the world even in USA are still only seeing the small picture and merely thinking of sept 11. You have to look at the roots of those terrorist acts which are about the Islamic faith. Bush calls this a 'war on terror' but what he is saying really is that it is a war against Islam. When you only focus on Saddam and WMD ect ect you are only looking at the small picture. This war is way bigger than any one man or even group of men. it's against an entire violent belief system that would terrorize the western world. Yet it impossible for US and the coalition to destroy an entire beleif system and Bush knows this. That is why making Iraq a sucessful democracy is so important. The spread of democracy in the middle east is capable of breaking down the Islamic belief system. That is Bush's vision. Similar to Reagan's vision of Soviet Union. Understand?

You walk on water. Or atleast you think it. First off(I can't believe I'm giving myself time again to post to one of your replies) don't talk about religions you're not familiar with. It is obvious the information, if any, you rely on is to not be trusted. It is also obvious that you are optimistic about what Bush is doing since without an Islamic belief system, there would be many converts and that's the mission, right? You relate everything to your religion. You will soon drown in this forum if you continue doing that.

Advice: Leave your religion at the door when you enter the forum.

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Originally posted by tecnolover Yet it impossible for US and the coalition to destroy an entire beleif system and Bush knows this. That is why making Iraq a sucessful democracy is so important. The spread of democracy in the middle east is capable of breaking down the Islamic belief system. That is Bush's vision. Similar to Reagan's vision of Soviet Union. Understand?

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Go fix your own democracy first (if you want to call it a democracy)

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Originally posted by Octanesyco Greetings. My name is Casey. You can call me Moose. -Moose

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Originally posted by tecnolover There even christian muslims. Those who are Islamic and understand and truly follow the faith are by their very religion against christians and want them destroyed. All 'western' cultures actually. And technically everyone who does not believe in Islam even other muslims. What a nice peaceful religion eh?

Christian muslims? Eh, you really left me speechless here...I didn't know such combinations like christian muslims exist. Hey, now that I know these things are possible, maybe I'll become a hinduist protestant...or a shintoist buddhist.

You know, maybe you should sit back and be quiet for a while. Just so that you don't embaress yourself even more.

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Originally posted by Michael19 what if they vote in a islamic fundamentalist?

i thought about that too. what if they vote someone in that is 10 times worse than saddam, will they alloud it to happend?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew i thought about that too. what if they vote someone in that is 10 times worse than saddam, will they alloud it to happend?

My guess is that radical fanatics won't be allowed to run in the election at all. Sort of like in most parts of Europe where you have to be a self-declared supporter of democracy in order to run.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew i thought about that too. what if they vote someone in that is 10 times worse than saddam, will they alloud it to happend?

first of all, anyone voted into office in Iraq will be appointed and approved by the USA primarily because we are still the number one form of aid and assistance in recontructing the new Iraq.

and as for religions, the problem will continue to persist if media in america doesn't reflect the true arguments and sides of others. Unfortunately, although america is probably considered the best source of media information, the truth remains, its ridiculously filtered for whose protection, thats what the American people are trying to figure out quick. And i've long stopped believing in any american news resource. I'll take the internet, russian news Pravda and even BBC is a bit quicker and more responsive to news "as it happens". Not waiting till government authorizes clearance over headline news stories.

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Originally posted by Shakka Actually, many consider the Cold War to have been WWIII. We are now engaged in WWIV. WWIII essentially ended with the tearing down of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Somewhat agree. A World War involves conflict with major powers, like US vs China. Not happening here with Iraq and Afghanistan, just a regional conflict.


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Originally posted by jparknyc ..although america is probably considered the best source of media information...

By who? Texans?

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Originally posted by Michael19 [QUOTE That is why making Iraq a sucessful democracy is so important. The spread of democracy in the middle east is capable of breaking down the Islamic belief system. Understand?

what if they vote in a islamic fundamentalist? [/QUOTE]

Interesting point. That is where things could get messy. The US government doesn't want that to happen. If the Iraqi ppl were to vote in such a person they would voting against western ideals and that includes democracy itself. Because Islam opposes western ideals.
After all the effort of the US, I don't think we US would allow that to happen. But to do so means we US would be manipulating their choice and free will which also isn't democratic or right. It's messy. In all fairness the people should get their choice either way and seal their own fate.

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Originally posted by trancaholic Can you prove this - give me a link? It seems to be impossible by the very definitions of the two words. quote: Originally posted by Spacey Orange he probably meant christian arabs.

Thanks spacey. Yes that is what I meant. my error.

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Originally posted by jparknyc first of all, anyone voted into office in Iraq will be appointed and approved by the USA primarily because we are still the number one form of aid and assistance in recontructing the new Iraq.

well so much for that freedom of choice...