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SnuggLe
drs. Betweter



Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Den Haag, Hakkuh!

Livesets vind ik een stuk vetter, door oa. bovengenoemde redenen (zie eerste post van Chicane ).

Daarnaast vind ik livesets stukken relaxter omdat je daar de echte kwaliteit van een DJ kan zien. Mixcd's etc zijn allemaal computergemixed, en ik vind juist een gig veel belangrijker. Zelfde dat ik niet zo snel oordeel over een dj als ik hem niet zelf heb gezien in een club. De sfeer daarbij is veel belangrijker, en dat roept een liveset wel op, een mix cd niet. Een liveset vertelt een verhaal, het is dynamisch. Meer dan een cd in ieder geval.
Dat is overigens ook de reden dat ik een hekel heb aan grote feesten en om dan te gaan lopen: een liveset is een trip, je kan niet zomaar even halverwege binnenvallen. Maar dat is mijn mening.


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Mindphaser
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Registered: Feb 2003
Location: Holland, Gld

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Originally posted by SnuggLe
Zelfde dat ik niet zo snel oordeel over een dj als ik hem niet zelf heb gezien in een club. De sfeer daarbij is veel belangrijker, en dat roept een liveset wel op, een mix cd niet. Een liveset vertelt een verhaal, het is dynamisch. Meer dan een cd in ieder geval.
Dat is overigens ook de reden dat ik een hekel heb aan grote feesten en om dan te gaan lopen: een liveset is een trip, je kan niet zomaar even halverwege binnenvallen. Maar dat is mijn mening.


Eens!
Over het algemeen zijn de Mc's idd irrietant maar het publiek vind ik meestal toch wel leuk om te horen!


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Freezel
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Holland

Ik vind MC's dus echt bloedirritant. Een DJ af- en aankondigen totaal geen problemen mee, maar voor de rest bek dicht

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emre
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Groovecollection.nl

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Ik vind MC's dus echt bloedirritant. Een DJ af- en aankondigen totaal geen problemen mee, maar voor de rest bek dicht


'Face down .. ass up' 99% van de MC's is totaal kut!!

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Partyhardy!
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands

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Originally posted by emre
'Face down .. ass up'


O! dat was inderdaad zo erg! snap Ferry trouwens niet dat hij die MC geregeld had, echt DOM!

Verder vind ik livesets zeer relaxt, altijd de nieuwste tunes en als er publiek tussen zit voegt het echt iets toe.
De irritantste jingle award gaat voor mij uit naar de MetroDance jingle uit Hernan Cattaneo's wekelijkse show; 3x per tune is geen uitzondering! echt ongeloofelijk!


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ahp2002
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Netherlands

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Originally posted by MaGiK54
Bij Magik 6 is het publiek een zwaar toegevoegde waarden, heb in die tijd heel veel sets van Tosti live meegemaakt, als ik die cd beluister had ik tijdens die nummers op precies dezelfde punten mee gejoeld in het echt.


ik was daar ook echt aanwezig, en de sfeer van die nacht is perfect op de cd overgekomen. echt super idd


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AxePlode
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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Eindhoven

ik ben ook echt een liveset fanaat. werkt goed met mn ipod. mc's zijn idd kut maar vind het geluid van het publiek op de achtergrond wel meer het gevoel geven dat het ook echt live is.

maar wat ik niet snap is dat de helft van de sets nog steeds worden opgenomen met een microfoon bij een monitor. de geluidskwaliteit is echt gwn te brak voor woorden en het publiek hoor je meestal te goed. dat ze dat es gwn opnemen van de mixer of zo...

en dan nog ff schelden op id-t: dat dat stelletje mongolen es op het idee komt om ook via de sateliet uit te zenden zodat we wel in kwaliteit kunnen luisteren...

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basvh
Bert says: Hatseflats!



Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Amsterdam + Ammerzoden

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Originally posted by Partyhardy!
O! dat was inderdaad zo erg! snap Ferry trouwens niet dat hij die MC geregeld had, echt DOM!



idd, ook raar dat ferry niet tijdens die avond ff heeft gezegd dat ie zijn bek moest houden. Het was trouwens volgens mij niet mc stretch maar mc mighty mike.

King of the mc is natuurlijk:



verder vind ik stretch ook wel ok.


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MaGiK54
Happy Skippy



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: The Hague

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Originally posted by ahp2002
ik was daar ook echt aanwezig, en de sfeer van die nacht is perfect op de cd overgekomen. echt super idd


Helaas geen enkele Wildlife night meegemaakt, kreeg nooit iemand mee daarheen. Achteraf gezien erg jammer, maar ja in die periode genoeg Tiesto gezien op andere feesten en tenten, dus dat maakt het dan weer een beetje goed.


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sndh
'dispels & contradicts'



Registered: May 2003
Location: Amsterdam

quote:
Originally posted by Partyhardy!
De irritantste jingle award gaat voor mij uit naar de MetroDance jingle uit Hernan Cattaneo's wekelijkse show; 3x per tune is geen uitzondering! echt ongeloofelijk!


WORD!! vooral bij die Moonpark sets van vorig jaar (sasha en cattaneo) hoorde je dat ZOOOOO vaak, wel 1 keer per minuut... door zo'n slecht engels sprekende "leren" argentijnse relnicht elke keer mjetroowdense te horen....


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MaGiK54
Happy Skippy



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: The Hague

De Jingle van Fritz FM tijdens Pvd zijn set in Berlijn is hoogst irritant, zit je het setje te blazen in je auto, komt die jingle out of the blue voorbij, dan kan ik je vertellen dan je stijf van de schrik in je auto zit


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Djeebie
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Registered: Feb 2002
Location: Amsterdam (NL)

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Originally posted by SnuggLe
Mixcd's etc zijn allemaal computergemixed


Niet allemaal hoor Twee die in me opkomen zijn Laidback Luke - Windmill Skill en James Zabiela - ALiVE. Maar over het algemeen zijn ze inderdaad door een computer gemixed. Onderstaand stukje gaat trouwens over het mixen van compilatie cd's en komt van John '00' Fleming. Het is een vrij groot stuk, maar wel leuk om te lezen. Weet je gelijk een beetje hoe het in z'n werk gaat

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Mixing a CD compilation ... in a computer??

It's that time of year again when I put together my annual Euphoria CD compilation. This is now my 3rd album that I've compiled and mixed for Euphoria. In 2001 I joined the Euphoria family mixing Euphoria 'Progressive'. The close bond and friendship with label boss, Eddie Short, started from that day on. 'White Label' was born the following year. This unique album of unreleased material proved so popular that we decided to make 'White Label' into a series (it's also become our baby!). 2003 brings 'White Label - level 2'. Again in the same format as the last album, I've hounded and pestered record producers and record labels into giving me exclusive unreleased material treating you to a glimpse into the future of what you will be hearing on a dancefloor throughout this year. (Almost 30% of the tracks from my last 'White Label' are still not released to date....a year on!!). These tracks then go through a strategic picking process by Eddie and myself. I have a unique trademark John 00 Fleming sound, only intelligent, highly produced and credible tracks made it onto this album, so you can expect high quality music.

Traditionally I've always used my trusty turntables and mixer to mix my albums, after all I'm very proud of my ability to mix live. We now live in the digital world of the 21st century. It seems crazy owning a professional recording studio and not making good use of it, so I did! Rather than using an engineer in a mastering suite and not even attending the mix, I did it all myself. The results are amazing, a DJ doing an engineer's job ensures a prefect mix, I hope you agree. I've even taken one step further and put my production knowledge and skills into this mix. I've taken certain parts from tracks and placed them over other tracks and added special FX. I've treated this like one big remix, as if it were one track from start to finish.
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So, do you think this is cheating?? I'd have to say yes if I'd let an engineer mix the album without me even being there. (yes this happens, never to me though!!). There is a theory that you simply put the tracks into a computer and the machine does it all for youyeah right, I wish!!! So how did I do it?? (Firstly I have to tell you that it was bloody hard work and painstakingly tedious, I feel better getting that off my chest!) I feel that a good DJ knows the exact points where to mix in and out of. A DJ/producer will also know how to operate the EQ's correctly creating a smooth mix. Having this aforementioned knowledge combined with a professional recording studio I was ready to mix!!
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I used a programme called Logic Audio platinum version 5 powered by my trusty Apple Mac G4 computer. Before I started any mixing I took a couple of days programming my mix finding the right running order for CD's 1 and 2. When I was happy I started to record the tracks into the computer. When I perform a live mix, the tempo of the mix naturally increases. I may start off at 128 BPM then end at 138 BPM. It's much easier to adjust the speed of the records as you record it into the computer. When I recorded a track into the computer from my turntable, I would slightly adjust the pitch of the record, as I would naturally in a mix. This would then slowly speed up the mix gradually track by track. Whilst recording a track into the computer I would beat match the tempo of next track in my headphones ensuring that it was the exact same tempo for mixing when I recorded it into the computer. You have to remember once the track is recorded on your hard drive, you can't adjust the speed (pitch) like on a turntable to get it perfectly in time!! No that's got you thinking, not that easy is it!! (I'll tell you how I adjust the pitch in a minute). Once I had recorded all the tracks onto the hard drive of my computer, it was time to mix them together. This is where my knowledge and skill of producing came in very useful. I'm used to working with waveforms with music. A waveform is an actual visual diagram of the sound that you're hearing. I can look at a waveform and roughly tell what is happening and when it is happening. I work out how the track is structured counting the 8 bar sequences. I then place the intro of the next track alongside the natural outro of the track playing. (I hope you're keeping up with me??!!). Here's where things get tricky!! I have to match the tracks exactly in time. I zoom into the waveform and find the kick drums. Kick drums have the most definite points of the waveform, they usually show as a solid line, but this is not always the case, they can sometimes be tricky to find. It's very hard working like this. It's like looking through a microscope. If you move the object that you're looking at the tiniest bit you can completely loose your bearings of where you are and what part of the object you're looking at. Once I've found my exact points for mixing, I get them perfectly in time by tightening up the audio start times. I have to do this manually; again my knowledge of studio production helps me. Once I'm happy with the positioning of the tracks running together, I have to adjust the levels. When I do a live mix in a club, I'm constantly adjusting the levels and EQ's. I have to painstakingly put this information into the computer individually; it's takes bloody ages just doing one mix!!! Next time you do a live mix look at all the adjustments that you make on the mixer. It's impossible to get the tempos of the two tracks 100% correct. If I am doing a long mix and the tracks are 0.5 BPM out they will start to slip out of sync. How on earth do you get them back in time not being able to touch them??? This is another painstaking process!! I have to chop the track that is starting to slip out of sync and create a new audio part (waveform) at that point. I then have to zoom into that part of the waveform (like before) and tighten up the start point bringing the track back in time. Just think, all this work for simply putting two tracks together. My album had 30 tracks on it!!! Two days later I had completed the mix!!! I then added special FX, some lush strings at the start and finish points of the mix. I also took various bits from tracks and put them over other tracks. I treated this like one of my productions in the studio. Like one big remix from start to finish. The more you listen to it, the more things you'll notice. Yes it took a long time, but it was well worth it. I wanted to get this right for you lot to enjoy.
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If you still think this is cheating, I'd say try it yourself before you open your mouth!!!


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