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Originally posted by Floorfiller i don't think that is what he is saying at all. i think he's saying that its harder to dj with turntables then it is with a cd player. also, i think he's saying that with mp3s the music is available to everyone so it takes away the value in shopping for that record that you found and everyone loves.

classic business mind at work. well, business minded for the dj. Of course if there are a ton of songs people haven't heard they are gonna go crazy when they hear them. But should we keep good music from people. that means youd have to wait for this big name dj to come around again to hear your song.


plus Id have to sell my cd player i my car to put in a turntable in there.



and I dont get where cds are easier to mix than vinyl.....and what cd decks does oakie see that you just hit play? I find cds harder mainly because you can read vinyl to see where the breakdowns are. with cds (at least what I did when I played them a few times) was try to remember the entire track organization.




eh. bottom line. I think he is wrong. there is no difference in difficulty between cd and vinyl (the only one I see is the pitch adjuster for cd is incremented while vinyl can be analogue). I just don't understand why this article came out. I guess it does add to oakie's image of being the creator of all that is edm....




im rambling..food time.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i'm sure oakie would agree that zabiela is an exception to what he is saying. obviously not everyone is doing what zabiela does...and that's why he is such a popular dj at the moment.

Does it even matter though? Watching any DJ beatmatch on vinyl isn't particularly impressive, since most of the time they are hovering over the mixer tweaking knobs. I've only been spinning 5 months, and even I can pretty much match my tunes in 20-30 seconds now, while occasionally making a tiny adjustment after that.

And while I will admit that there is definately a coolness factor in pulling out a big box of records and shuffling through them... like I said, the music a DJ puts forth is a lot more important than how he does it. It's like going out to eat at one of those Habachi grills, where the chef cooks the sushi in front of you and does all those tricks, fliping the shrimp into his hat and setting the onion on fire - neat to watch, but it's just a novelty - what you came for is the food, and if the food sucks then who the hell cares what the chef is doing?

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Originally posted by nrjizer Well, no shit. Is it a big suprise to anyone that a compressed sound format is going to sound poor on a club system? I honestly can't tell any big difference between a full quality wav and a record, at least in the clubs I've been to. Anyone else care to comment on this? (between wav and vinyl I mean, not mp3 and vinyl).

There is no loss in quality with wav files as long as they're coming from a digital source and not decoded from an mp3. So playing a wav burned to a CD will sound better on a club system than a 192kbps mp3, which is what most download sites offer for purchase and probably what Oakenfold was referring to. Like you said, Beatport is great because they will send you a wav on CD.

Many people say vinyl has a warmer sound, but the average listener probably couldn't care less. I'm sure I couldn't tell the difference between vinyl and wav, but vinyl and mp3 is a different story especially on a big system.

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Originally posted by nrjizer And while I will admit that there is definately a coolness factor in pulling out a big box of records and shuffling through them... like I said, the music a DJ puts forth is a lot more important than how he does it. It's like going out to eat at one of those Habachi grills, where the chef cooks the sushi in front of you and does all those tricks, fliping the shrimp into his hat and setting the onion on fire - neat to watch, but it's just a novelty - what you came for is the food, and if the food sucks then who the hell cares what the chef is doing?

What a tasty analogy.

well i guess i'll just say this...i know what you both are saying...but...this is how i see it:

the problem with everyone having the same music is that is practically negates the purpose of the dj. i think the problem with things like digital downloads is that it takes away the unique sound of a dj and encourages everyone to play the same stuff. look no further then our own dj promotion section to find everyone and their cousin playing there combination of ASOT and GDJB. that's not what i want to hear and i garauntee that isn't going to help them move their djing to a level they want it at.

you know what i do when i listen to a dj...i listen to them and i pick the few tracks that are just completely awesome...and those are the ones i want to buy. now if people do that with a bunch of different djs and then add the stuff they find out on their own ...you'd be a pretty badass dj in my view.

i just see a problem with everyone wanting to pretend to be armin or tiesto or markus and all downloading the same music and all the producers attempting to make the same sound and feel for their songs...its just really tired and a waste of good talent.

what is this article doing on CNN?

i could careless what medium a dj uses as long as he/she plays good stuff...thats all that matters. if oakey hates cds so much then why does he keep putting them out? im not complaining or anything because hes put out some great cds. ive noticed a lot of the djs coming through have been using cds and i dont think that it takes anything away from their set...if anything it allows them to be more flexible because they can tweek a song and then put it onto a cd to use in their set rather than having to go have a vinyl made.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller the problem with everyone having the same music is that is practically negates the purpose of the dj.

Well, if it forces the big name DJ to work harder to be unique, then it's good for us

But it won't ever negate the DJ (well... maybe the bad, boring DJ, but who's complaining then?), because partying out is still a lot more fun when there's a good DJ guiding the party.

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This is really ironic, oakey speaking of mixing finesse

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Originally posted by Nou But yea, most of what he says is true tho. I think he was talking about jocks that cheat with CD players really, using automatic functions instead of doing the old fashioned and real way.

But oakie isn't exactly known for his mixing now, is he? I recall the thread posted a month or so ago, about how oakie trainwrecked 7 times (the poster kept a tally with a pen) and thrice just let one track run out then start the next.... all this within a 90 minute set. I mean, mixing 2 tracks together on turntables isn't THAT hard, and someone who's been around over 10 years like he has should be able to do it in their sleep.

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Holy shit, this is in 3 different areas...

Anyways, its all music, it doesnt really matter. They both have their ups and downs. I prefer vinyl as a medium, but i prefer cdjs just because they are more fun to me.

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Originally posted by nrjizer But oakie isn't exactly known for his mixing now, is he? I recall the thread posted a month or so ago, about how oakie trainwrecked 7 times (the poster kept a tally with a pen) and thrice just let one track run out then start the next.... all this within a 90 minute set. I mean, mixing 2 tracks together on turntables isn't THAT hard, and someone who's been around over 10 years like he has should be able to do it in their sleep.

*goes on bullshit rant*

but he mixes terrible now because he is so dissolutioned with the industry becoming what it has become