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Shakka
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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Thanks for your responses. I haven't had much time today to examine the arguments further, but on the whole I do tend to agree that there are some changes that should be made. I'm just personally not convinced that the day of change is now, at least not yet. I need to research this a little further, however, in order to say anything more.

There's also a particular criticism of Bush's SS proposal that I have yet to see answered very well - Bush has reassured seniors on the campaign stump that they'll continue to see their checks, and that their SS money will not be touched. Well let's say that over the next 4 years Bush's proposals come to fruition, and youngins' like us get to play the markets more with our SS. Well, all that money that we would have been normally been placed into the SS fund is now being placed elsewhere. So those folks who retire, say 10-15 yrs. from now - where will their money be? IOW, the shifting of our finances will have a direct impact on the money given to retirees down the road. So how will those retirees be subsidized at all then?


Silly, we just create more debt!

In all seriousness, that certainly is the most important question. How do you build the bridge to facilitate the change. I think Bush's vision is probably a bit optimistic--as I understand that he wants the money to be better invested, therefore generating a better return, thus facilitating payments to existing SS collectors without creating too much additional debt. Bush is all about a strong economy being the great facilitator. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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tecnolover
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Shakka made some very good points which he beat me too.

The president has very little influence over the US economy. If you are going pin anything to do with the economy on a single man or group pin it on the Fed and Allan G. This is one reason I hate listening to all politicians speaking as if they can make or break the economy. It's ridiculous.

Last of all, the best time to put money in the market is when it is down. Simple buy low, sell high concept. I don't know the figures Bush is talking about but it's probably a significant enough amount to actually bring the stock market up and out of it's slump. This due to supply/demand of stock issues in the market. It would fund US business and at the same time increase the value of the market. This could be big. If it is indeed Bush and not the Feb reserve board who authorizes this action I'll eat my words above about pres. not having an economic impact because this could indeed have a big impact on the stock market and economy.

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NeoPhono
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I think eventually one generation will have to "bite the bullet," so to speak when it comes to reforming social security. To me SS is a pyramid scheme that's base is quickly eroding. We simply don't have the younger population to support our aging society. I can almost guarantee that I will never see a dime of the money I put into social security when I retire, because by that time it will be no more. So...either I don't see my social security, the elderly of today don't see their social security money, or we have some kind of gradual fade-out where we all see less. I'm sorry to sound so overtly pessimisitic when it comes down to it, but I really don't see any way we can make the system better without some real growing pains. Unfortunatly, I think this country is in for a great deal of growing pains in the years ahead in order to reform a bloated, over-spending and over-stretched government spiraling into oblivion.

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