As far as I understand Vinyl has the POTENTIAL to sund better then a .WAV or an .MP3 format since it is not limited to 44khz as they do. Does vinyl actually sound better? Very rarely, because it all depends on the pressing.
I compared the same track in headphones that I had both on a CD and a Vinyl. The CD version sounded way better. It was way more detailed and clear sounding, vinyl version wasn't even close. Also, I have a bunch of white label records that sound like a complete crap. I don't even play some of them at clubs for that reason.
As for being able to hear the difference between a .WAV and a 320kbps .MP3 file... Yes, one can tell the difference if they listen closely, but only on a High End system designed for home use. (never on a club sound system).

just so you guys know a bit of background on this arguement...

this is the original thread.

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and it was said that mp3 support on a CDJ is not important because no one plays mp3s at a club anyways.

IMO digital formats are clearer/cleaner than vinyl.

I buy all my MP3's in 320 kbps and they are crystal clear, clearer than my vinyl in some cases (no dust, no slightly worn stili, no little flutter from the platter, etc).

(and don't bitch about my analogue gear being crap... industry standard gear is not crap)

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analogue formats have a much wider frequency range, which while inaudible to the human ear, do affect other sounds that we can hear. this is why vinyl has a 'warmer' sound than you would get playing the same track from a CD burnt from a .wav or .aiff file, and given the perfect equipment vinyl will sound better than pretty much any digital medium (exept some dvd audio stuff).

on large systems, i find that if a DJ swaps from vinyl to CD a lot it is noticable, especially when they are using mp3's, as these limit the sound further by compressing. compression always makes a difference and when using any form of lossy format the less you compress it the better it will sound.

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Originally posted by tu_face analogue formats have a much wider frequency range, which while inaudible to the human ear, do affect other sounds that we can hear. this is why vinyl has a 'warmer' sound than you would get playing the same track from a CD burnt from a .wav or .aiff file, and given the perfect equipment vinyl will sound better than pretty much any digital medium (exept some dvd audio stuff). on large systems, i find that if a DJ swaps from vinyl to CD a lot it is noticable, especially when they are using mp3's, as these limit the sound further by compressing. compression always makes a difference and when using any form of lossy format the less you compress it the better it will sound.

tu_face again with another quality post.


I agree 100%

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i had a friend spin at a club once using regular quality mp3s, and not a single person noticed the difference

the difference is most noticable when a dj swaps from medium to medium.

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no offence (ok thats a lie) but you guys are full of shit or deaf

i can hear a MASSIVE difference from 192 cbr and 320kbps and wav AND vinyl

vinyl shits all over anything its unbelievable

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I posted this same thing in the Paul Oakenfold thread. Electronic music is made on a digital platform. It uses digital samples. These samples are put through the same process as anything else (most are in .wav format, some in mp3). They have already had the "inaudible" stuff clipped out of them when digitized. The whole song is made of these samples.

You cannot tell me that when they put this on vinyl all of a sudden the magic wax gods put their holy touch down and add in all those "missing" lows and highs that weren't there to begin with. With rock, classical, anything done by instruments that are actually put to wax before digitizing, its a different story.

Electronic music is just that.... electronic. Created (mostly) on digital platforms (ie: computer) and then moved over to vinyl. Put some logic into it.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. Electronic music is just that.... electronic. Created (mostly) on digital platforms (ie: computer) and then moved over to vinyl. Put some logic into it.

true, but anyone who produces proffesionally doesn't, or shouldn't, be producing in 44khZ, 16-bit sound. obviously a lot of sounds and samples do actually come as 44khZ 16-bit sound, but then these are processed by a shit load of things which can add deeper bass frequencies and higher treble frequencies. these then get mastered and remastered for vinyl.

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Originally posted by tu_face the difference is most noticable when a dj swaps from medium to medium.

but this can be minimized if you know what you are fucking doing on the decks and with the mixer.

So the real question was...

...IS mp3 support on a CDJ worthless?

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Originally posted by failsafe If you're talking about a large club there is a "feel" element that you're dealing with too. This "feel" element comes from the low frequnecy bass that comes out of the massive woofers. This sound often exists in the realm of frequencies that are inaudible that mp3 encoding totally removes. so when you're at a club you don't feel the massive bass. Can some people that ACTUALLY PLAY on big systems give their opinions. freak, nemisis, etc?

Humans hear from 20hz to 20khz the rumble at the club lies from 40hz to 120hz sooo technically its not inaudible...

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