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Originally posted by Scottaculous We are FUCKED for the next 30 years, not 4, if Bush wins and here's why. It's 30 years and not 4 because of the Supreme Court. In this next four years, THREE justices will be either dying or retiring, including the chief justice. The next president will appoint new justices, and that will affect our next 30 years. Needless to say Bush will appoint Justices with similiar values to his own and with the Republican control of both House and Senate, whoever Bush appoints will be guaranteed.

yup your right. Its gonna be a nice downhill for human rights and liberty in the State for the next few decades. I find it weird how its like a step in the opposite direction from where most democratic nation are heading. Most Democrotie are passing legislation for legalisation of drugs, gay marrige, all kinds of liberal rights. The Unite State because of large Republican representation is diong just the opposite.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous We are FUCKED for the next 30 years, not 4, if Bush wins and here's why. It's 30 years and not 4 because of the Supreme Court. In this next four years, THREE justices will be either dying or retiring, including the chief justice. The next president will appoint new justices, and that will affect our next 30 years. Needless to say Bush will appoint Justices with similiar values to his own and with the Republican control of both House and Senate, whoever Bush appoints will be guaranteed. Hope everyone likes ultra right winged conservatism.

you're making it sound like Bush will appoint fucking satan and his dark angels, dude they're still human being and will make smart decisions, he won't appoint some yokel from texas but qualified individuals, republican or not they will do their jobs to improve this country - they're not going in there with "ohh let's fuck everyone over" mentality

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Originally posted by Mike_B yup your right. Its gonna be a nice downhill for human rights and liberty in the State for the next few decades. I find it weird how its like a step in the opposite direction from where most democratic nation are heading. Most Democrotie are passing legislation for legalisation of drugs, gay marrige, all kinds of liberal rights. The Unite State because of large Republican representation is diong just the opposite.

we will be alot more conservative though, you're right on that

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Originally posted by Aristronica yeah actually they were trained by us (as in russia), they were used as militarists starting with the czars, just after WWII they wanted independence and we said "fuck you, you got oil ties" in all cases it's a political war, we could easily go in there and destroy all that garbage but we keep plucking away, cuz there's no better solution and i'll be darned if the state cares about the people unless it's to better their image or look scary to others

If this was 50 years ago before the UN and media was properly established, you could be ganrantied Russia would of massacared the Chechens to shut them up. With the world watching your every step its sure harder to just go in and slaughter a people. Even if they are full of crazy suicidal radicals bent on Terrorism.

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Originally posted by Mike_B If this was 50 years ago before the UN and media was properly established, you could be ganrantied Russia would of massacared the Chechens to shut them up. With the world watching your every step its sure harder to just go in and slaughter a people. Even if they are full of crazy suicidal radicals bent on Terrorism.

well put

I'm just curious why the majourity of the people who voted yesterday, said no on letting gay people get married?

*shrugs*

I'm not Gay, but like, I don't know why anyone would care if Gays wanted to marry?? Why are we even voting on that?

I guess its that "hardcore Christian" mentality.

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I think the democratic party as a whole should stand up and take notice at this election.

The fact that George Bush was able do beat Kerry by 3.5 million votes during a time when gas is $2 a gallon most places, the economy is in a shaky recovery, jobs have not fully recovered, WMD has not been found in Iraq, and Bin Laden has not been captured shows that the American public has no confidence in the democrats.

The real problem here is trust and I think that most people dont trust Kerry or the democrats.

In Congress the republicans picked up 2 more seats in the Senate and 10 seats in the House. The Senate minority leader lost his seat, when the hell is the last time that happened?

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Originally posted by placebo I'm just curious why the majourity of the people who voted yesterday, said no on letting gay people get married? *shrugs* I'm not Gay, but like, I don't know why anyone would care if Gays wanted to marry?? Why are we even voting on that? I guess its that "hardcore Christian" mentality.

it's cuz married couples get tax breaks and other goodies from the government (better welfare and social security), and some people just don't deem them worthy of that, the whole marriage part doesn't matter it's how it legally changes your situation within the state and country

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Originally posted by placebo I'm just curious why the majourity of the people who voted yesterday, said no on letting gay people get married? *shrugs* I'm not Gay, but like, I don't know why anyone would care if Gays wanted to marry?? Why are we even voting on that? I guess its that "hardcore Christian" mentality.

I heard Howard Stern comment on this a while back and I like his position. I don't remember the exact quote, but the jist of it was:

"Straight people have been subjected to the institution of marriage for centuries. I think its about time that we subject gay people to it as well"

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Originally posted by Aristronica it's cuz married couples get tax breaks and other goodies from the government (better welfare and social security), and some people just don't deem them worthy of that, the whole marriage part doesn't matter it's how it legally changes your situation within the state and country

Deem then worthy of it. lol Im not gay either but common. i mean who cares what they do. Goerge Bush called gay marriage an attack on Strait families. Gimmy a break its not like gay ppl are gonna magicly cause strait ppl to get divorsed. Problem is that the marrige Bush is talking about and thinking about are not the same. What he's talking about is married by law, the other that he's thinking of in By god in a church. Not the same thing at all. And you're right Gay ppl what to get married for the reason stated above. I mean would you. Imagine your wife, falls sick and is lying on her death bed. But they wont let you in cause you're not familly. This to us is unbeleivable. Well gay ppl have to deal with that becaue they aren't technicly married by law, they aren't familly. I think this is ridiculus. who cares what others do. Keep your religion to yourselves and don't push it on others. State and religion should not be together, they have nothing to do with each other

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Originally posted by Mike_B Deem then worthy of it. lol Im not gay either but common. i mean who cares what they do. Goerge Bush called gay marriage an attack on Strait families. Gimmy a break its not like gay ppl are gonna magicly cause strait ppl to get divorsed. Problem is that the marrige Bush is talking about and thinking about are not the same. What he's talking about is married by law, the other that he's thinking of in By god in a church. Not the same thing at all. And you're right Gay ppl what to get married for the reason stated above. I mean would you. Imagine your wife, falls sick and is lying on her death bed. But they wont let you in cause you're not familly. This to us is unbeleivable. Well gay ppl have to deal with that becaue they aren't technicly married by law, they aren't familly. I think this is ridiculus. who cares what others do. Keep your religion to yourselves and don't push it on others. State and religion should not be together, they have nothing to do with each other

they have nothing to do with each other, but they have to work together

as the double headed eagle of the russian federation (avatar) would point out that

though these two totally different things are opposites of each other they must work for the same body - the country itself

also - there isn't an unlimited amount of tax breaks, if gay couples start getting them, straight ones might miss out and so they vote against gay couples

politics comes down to money, which really sucks at times