If I may intervene here just for a moment, I think you may know by now that I'm not exactly what you would call a Bush supporter. However I do think you have a bit of an exaggerated viewpoint of things:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 truth hurts doesn't it. Your coveted President is so moralistic, but that doesn't stop him from waging wars to benefit all the oil corporations.

I really hope you don't think this was our primary reason for going to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. There are numerous reasons that can be argued against Bush's intentions and actions for war, but honestly this "war for oil" argument is the weakest. Some of the more convincing arguments against Bush-

-Wanting to invade Iraq to keep his image as a war-time president (which is my current highest reason for his re-election)

-Geopolitical dominance (or as the neocons would say, "stabilization")

-Take our eye off the current domestic problems

All have merit and are worth an argument, but the "war for oil" one, I just don't think that holds water too long.

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Oh, and let's not forget the huge tax cuts that make the rich richer and the poor poorer...oh yeah..and what about all those manufacturing jobs that went to Mexico and third world countries? Yeah...he LOVES working class people!

In all fairness, you should be blaming Clinton for creating NAFTA in the first place, as well as many Dems. for allowing the exportation of jobs to flourish. This was nothing new before Bush came into offic, though he certainly has exasterbated the problem with his corporate tax loopholes big enough to drive a mac truck through.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Calling someone a moron because they don't share your views makes no sense. Perhaps people have a reason they like the guy that you just don't understand or refuse to listen to? Where is a moderator when you need one to clean up this mess of a PF.

One reason could be that they're blindly religious and vote on issues like abortion or gay marriages (which Kerry opposes by the way)...aren't there more IMPORTANT reasons to vote than just that?

Or it could be that too many Americans vote for the guy who they think would be a good neighbour because they either don't UNDERSTAND or CARE about the issues. Such an inward looking people I have to say.

The rest of the world is laughing at you. But hey...you reelected the guy who put you in this mess...if you want more of the same, you apparently have had your say.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 One reason could be that they're blindly religious and vote on issues like abortion or gay marriages (which Kerry opposes by the way)...aren't there more IMPORTANT reasons to vote than just that? Or it could be that too many Americans vote for the guy who they think would be a good neighbour because they either don't UNDERSTAND or CARE about the issues. Such an inward looking people I have to say. The rest of the world is laughing at you. But hey...you reelected the guy who put you in this mess...if you want more of the same, you apparently have had your say.

How many people were misinformed by Fahrenheit 9/11, MTV/eminem/PDIDDY??

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How many people were misinformed by Fahrenheit 9/11, MTV/eminem/PDIDDY??

Don't think there's enough statistics to even come to a conclusion to that, mec. Statistics are tools of manipulated used by people with political power, or are winning to gain political power.

Even though from pure guestanumerical values, the two would be even, well sorta ... give or take 10%. But, it's just a guess...

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 One reason could be that they're blindly religious and vote on issues like abortion or gay marriages (which Kerry opposes by the way)...aren't there more IMPORTANT reasons to vote than just that? Or it could be that too many Americans vote for the guy who they think would be a good neighbour because they either don't UNDERSTAND or CARE about the issues. Such an inward looking people I have to say. The rest of the world is laughing at you. But hey...you reelected the guy who put you in this mess...if you want more of the same, you apparently have had your say.

Iraq is not the only issue in this election, as much as the world wants to think that way.

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Ignore smitty, he lives in a shit city in Ontario known for really nothing. He does not live in America nor hold American citizenship, so he cannot vote and thus his opinion really means nada in terms of this election.

I personally applaud Bush for at least standing up for his supposed beliefs, so many people are bowing to public pressure, like our lameass Prime Minister, who is a Catholic yet wants to legalize samesex marriages. I rather have a leader, where you know that he or she stands firm on this issue because then you know, at least that person has the balls to take that stand.

America is awake smitty, I thought that more people got involved in learning which person represented their views the best and voted for them and more youths got out and voted. I think America is not asleep anymore and I think that you will see more outcry in the USA, with the decisions that happen.

Now if you want to go on and on about the American Foreign Policy and the problems with Iraq and other places and about how America just wants oil, then go ahead. I thought we have pointed out that it has not been proven that America is after the oil. Next time, you want to state something, don't use lameass verbatim (today's fave saying), say something with some substance behind the reasons, not just raw hatred.

I agree with the topic. I resent his rascist ideas. He is a threat for the world. I can't imagane how blind you must be to see what kind of man he is. I accept the opinions of the ppl even if can't understand it.

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according to a belgian?

lmao

dude, you don't live in the states, how would you know how dangerous Bush is?

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Originally posted by torontotrance I rather have a leader, where you know that he or she stands firm on this issue because then you know, at least that person has the balls to take that stand.

In our country, there is a separation between church and state. A legislator should not rule by his religious beliefs.

You shouldn't trust the idiotic ideas of someone who worships a human joke.

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Originally posted by UWM In our country, there is a separation between church and state. A legislator should not rule by his religious beliefs.

But your beliefs govern how you act and the same goes for Bush, Kerry and everyone else. You can't isolate your beliefs from yourself, in least in my view. What you believe in and what your core beliefs are, govern how you act and interact with others. I don't buy the argument of Church and State can be separated. If you had an atheist leader, his beliefs are still technically "his religion", so should'nt he separate his beliefs. I just think the argument about the separation of church and state is a lame way to say to Christians that you cannot govern a country by your beliefs. That's what I think but you know extremely well that church and state won't ever really be separated anywhere.

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Originally posted by torontotrance according to a belgian? lmao dude, you don't live in the states, how would you know how dangerous Bush is?

LOL, He started the war in Afghanistan, Iraq. He is talking about North-Korea, Iran ec. That says enough, or you must be blind!?

ps: you don'tlive in the Us either. So what?

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Last edited by Dunya on Nov-03-2004 at 19:53