Anyone seen where my tin foil hat? Damnit, can't find it anywhere.

Well, now that my brain's ready to absorb some more conspiracies, I thought this latest one was pretty interesting:

To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:

1. the exit polls were wrong
2. that Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning Ohio and Florida were wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll)
3. that Harris' last-minute polling for Kerry was wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll)
4. that incumbent rule #1 - undecideds break for the challenger - was wrong
5. that the 50% rule - an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling - was wrong
6. that the approval rating rule - an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election - was wrong
7. that it was just a coincidence that the exit polls were correct where there was a paper trail and incorrect (+5% for Bush) where there was no paper trail
8. that the surge in new young voters had no positive effect for Kerry
9. that Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost the support of scores of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000
10. that voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were not tampered with in this election.

So if you can believe all of those factors too, well, it looks like you won't need a shiny hat yourself.


Added in edit: not sure of the source of this piece. Caught it in an email - I surmise it was from a blogger.....

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easy inbred, its still LIKELY

Contrary to its title, there's no shred of any evidence of anything in this thread. How ironic.

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was kinda worried for a moment that we wouldnt have anything to talk about for the next for years

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Anyone seen where my tin foil hat? Damnit, can't find it anywhere. Well, now that my brain's ready to absorb some more conspiracies, I thought this latest one was pretty interesting: To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe: 1. the exit polls were wrong 2. that Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning Ohio and Florida were wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll) 3. that Harris' last-minute polling for Kerry was wrong (he was exactly right in his 2000 final poll) 4. that incumbent rule #1 - undecideds break for the challenger - was wrong 5. that the 50% rule - an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling - was wrong 6. that the approval rating rule - an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election - was wrong 7. that it was just a coincidence that the exit polls were correct where there was a paper trail and incorrect (+5% for Bush) where there was no paper trail 8. that the surge in new young voters had no positive effect for Kerry 9. that Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost the support of scores of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000 10. that voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were not tampered with in this election. So if you can believe all of those factors too, well, it looks like you won't need a shiny hat yourself. Added in edit: not sure of the source of this piece. Caught it in an email - I surmise it was from a blogger.....

thats some interesting stuff if its true!

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Originally posted by Radagast Contrary to its title, there's no shred of any evidence of anything in this thread. How ironic.

I think there was this random story on CNN claiming that some country with 700 registered voters reported 4000 votes. But let's completely disregard that, 'cause WHO cares if there is fraud during the election; What does an election really matter anyways, right?

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Originally posted by Radagast Contrary to its title, there's no shred of any evidence of anything in this thread. How ironic.

good job

I'm not sure if this counts as fraud or most likely just voter "inconvenience," but there were some places in Florida where there would be voting booths but nobody attending to them, so people would need to drive to other districts. A friend of mine's mom tried doing that and couldn't vote because the polls closed too fast for her to get to another place.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 I think there was this random story on CNN claiming that some country with 700 registered voters reported 4000 votes. But let's completely disregard that, 'cause WHO cares if there is fraud during the election; What does an election really matter anyways, right?

That must be a pretty small country.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 I think there was this random story on CNN claiming that some country with 700 registered voters reported 4000 votes. But let's completely disregard that, 'cause WHO cares if there is fraud during the election; What does an election really matter anyways, right?

It wasnt even a county. It was a precinct here in Central Ohio. The machine was shown to have votes in it when it arrived at the polling place, but all voted were removed for the final talley.

Not sure if it was deliberate or not, but both parties have been defrauding the system for years anyways. Whether its stacking the computer votes, or threatening union employees with termination based on their vote, there is plenty of cheating, persusaion, and other dastardly tactics involved in the electoral process.

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Originally posted by Radagast Contrary to its title, there's no shred of any evidence of anything in this thread. How ironic.

There's some indicators, such as election monitors from OSCE being turned away at some voting places in Ohio, and being denied access to the Republican campaign office in Florida - even though they had an official clearance.

The story about the democratic counties in Florida that voted for Bush was picked up by msnbc last night:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

However, if it's fraud than it's consistent fraud because it looks like those same democratic counties voted for Bush in 2000, and Dole in 1996:

Election of 2000
Baker voted 5610-2392 for Bush against Gore.
Lafayette voted 1670-789 for Bush against Gore.
Liberty voted 1317-1017 for Bush against Gore.
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/ele.../7/00&DATAMODE=

Election of 1996
Baker voted 3684-2273 for Dole against Clinton
Lafayette voted 1126-899 for Dole against Clinton
Liberty voted 913-868 for Dole against Clinton
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/ele.../5/96&DATAMODE=

So if you ask me, it looks like it's just a bunch of people who once registered as Democrats never changed party affiliation and are just voting republican. Speculation on my part sure, but it looks like that's what this thread is all about ...

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